[Coco] MAME/MESS Binary Builds for OS X

Fri Jun 16 11:46:07 EDT 2017

I hear Bill Pierce loud and clear.  VCC was my gateway to CoCo emulation,
and for most general tasks, it's great to just launch and hit the ground
running.

I also like XROAR very much, for specific CoCo 1 and 2 stuff it's great,
the artifact emulation on it is great, the ability to swap joysticks on the
fly, and many other features.

I started using MAME when I was looking at some of the test builds of
Pop*Star Pilot as it was the best emulator to really see what hardware
scrolling on the GIME could do well, and I gained an appreciation for MAME
as a CoCo emulator then, but would not use it often, for all the obvious
reasons people point out, the UI, and the process we must go through to use
it, etc.

However, starting with the announcement of MAME support the Speech Sound
Cartridge, as well as John Linville's Game Master Cartridge that adds
hardware sound to CoCo games, I'm leaning more and more toward MAME as my
emulator of choice.

I also run MESSUI which makes thing a little better, but for the most part,
I run the stock MAME with a launch script that sets it how I want it and
mounts the floppy I want.  Again, not the most elegant, but it's within my
capability to deal with, and I think the greater good and bigger picture of
what MAME is currently offering and will offer in the future, it makes it a
compelling platform to use for development and testing.

If I just wanted to hit the ground running with a CoCo 1/2 game, I'll stick
to XROAR, if I just want to donk around in anything general on a CoCo, I'll
use VCC, but as I start to learn assembly, I think the debug feature of
MAME the ability to monitor RAM in real time will become powerful tools to
assist my learning.

I appreciate all the emulators that exist, and the people who continue to
support them and develop them further, I won't take a side, pick a
favorite, or disparage any one product, because all are good, all serve
their purposes, and none of them are perfect.

It's a quirky thing to want to run an old system, so we should be able to
deal with a few quirks that come along with this.

Steve Strowbridge, aka
The Original Gamer Stevie Strow
http://ogsteviestrow.com
ogsteviestrow at gmail.com

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Bill Pierce via Coco <coco at maltedmedia.com
> wrote:

> I downloaded the latest Mame windows exec from the dev site just to check
> it out yesterday. There's a lot of things I like about Mess, but in
> NitrOS9, there's just too many things I find annoying. I would rather use
> VCC, but that's just me and what I'm used to.
> One of my big complaints is Mame's odd interface. I usually fix this by
> using a MessUI and get all the menus, but I decided to work with the Mame
> UI for my tests. I was playing around with the Win64 binary when I noticed
> something odd...
> When the icon for the binary showed, it was for a "Zip" file...
> When I run Mame, it seems to take forever to load and now I know why. I
> right clicked the exec file, opened it in 7-zip and sure enough, it WAS a
> zip.
> Unzipping the file revealed tons of stuff. After moving my roms to the new
> folder, I ran the "mame64.exe" that I found and what's this? There's a
> completely different GUI... A complete launcher and control panel!!!
> All of a sudden, I had access to all the stuff available in the MessUI,
> but in the format of the Mame menus, just more detailed.
>
> What I want to know is why was all this hidden? Why not a proper installer
> that reveals all this?
>
> And the test results?
> Sorry, but I'll still put up with VCC's quirks as Mame's still just too
> much trouble when I want to just crank up and go. I don't play games, so I
> don't see most of the quirks in VCC that everyone else complains about and
> NitrOS9 runs 100% better in VCC. Mames overclocking methods just do not
> work for the Coco emulation and makes the keyboard unusable and the system
> clock speeds up making software dating impossible (NitrOS9 dates every file
> use).
>
> Mame is good for many things and I wish VCC had it's debugger and I can
> see why gamers like it better, but for my purposes, I'll stick with VCC...
> for now :-)
>
>
>
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>
> Bill Pierce
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Nobel <b_nobel at hotmail.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 16, 2017 10:07 am
> Subject: Re: [Coco] MAME/MESS Binary Builds for OS X
>
> Thanks Tim.  I did a pull of this build and it now works booting my
> Nitros9 system.
>
> Bill Nobel
> b_nobel at hotmail.com<mailto:b_nobel at hotmail.com>
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 9:23 PM, tim lindner <tlindner at macmess.org<mailto:t
> lindner at macmess.org>> wrote:
>
> This was a bug fixed 12 days ago.
>
> https://github.com/mamedev/mame/pull/2357
>
> Will be included in the June release.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Bill Nobel <b_nobel at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Here is a screenshot of the error I’m getting: https://www.dropbox.com/s/
> 7hyv3781cscdfrb/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-15%20at%209.04.39%20PM.png?dl=0
>
> The image I used has the JVC header of $1202 on it.  I don’t know whats
> going on.  All the RSDOS images work perfectly.
>
> Bill Nobel
> b_nobel at hotmail.com<mailto:b_nobel at hotmail.com>
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 8:24 PM, Barry Nelson <barry.nelson at amobiledevice.com
> <mailto:barry.nelson at amobiledevice.com>> wrote:
>
> Bill Nobel b_nobel at hotmail.com<http://hotmail.com>  <mailto:
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> Thu Jun 15 20:38:46 EDT 2017
>
> Hey Tim, Curious question.  Have you been able to boot Nitros9 on the .186
> image?  I have tried several different flavours and have no success on OSX,
> yet Windows version is fine.
> I have NitrOS9 booting on version 0.186, but it has other issues I am
> trying to resolve, like it crashes when I exit a CoCo emulation back to the
> main system menu.
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