[Coco] 512K upgrade

Sat Mar 8 23:32:25 EST 2014

Hi Bill!
Amen Brother!  To each his own, talk about what you like and let's enjoy the
strengths of our favorite Operating Systems without Flaming the ones we
don't like.  Sure, explain the differences when someone needs to know, but
without the negative talk.  We have lost at least one Coco user from this
list because of this very thing - flaming comments of dislike and worse and
he said when he left that he's never coming back.  I wonder how many other
people have checked out this list and left too without Ever saying anything.
It does Not belong here.  As Stan Lee says, "enough said."  Take care my
friends.  Happy Cocoing!!!
Kip

-----Original Message-----
From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Loguidice
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 11:47 AM
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [Coco] 512K upgrade

I think your assessment of the "failings" of Windows and how wonderful Linux
is are rather overblown. For an operating system family with over 90% market
share on traditional computing platforms versus an operating system family
with under 2% marketshare, it really, honestly can't be all that bad. A lot
of the security issues you complain about come about from the lack of
sophistication of some its users and the very marketshare that makes it so
mainstream, and thus, a logical target. Really, if you have recent versions
of Windows like 7 and 8, half a chance, you'd see a stable, secure operating
system that's supremely well supported for users of every level. It's great
that there's some choice on traditional computing platforms, though, be it
Windows, MacOS, Linux, or even ChromeOS. For the vast majority of users they
don't ever really need to bother with what's going on with their machine and
have only basic needs, hence the popularity of smartphones and tablets. We
sometimes have to divorce ourselves from the idea that "those people" should
know better (or do more) and just accept that we're all into different
things. Myself, I'm into technology, but when it comes to something like
cars, for instance, I'm as hopeless as those people who install the "virus
known as Windows." It's one thing to express your preference for something
and the reasons why, it's another to expect or look down upon those who
don't share those same preferences or have similar needs. Perhaps I'm a bit
more sensitive to fierce brand loyalty because I've made it one of my goals
to try and fight for the joys of all types of technology past and present,
rather than laser focus or loyalty on one brand or class of products (just
look at my bibliography to understand what I mean).

I think that type of thinking is one of the reasons why it's difficult to
expand our modern day CoCo community, for instance. A lot of today's
would-be collectors have it in their heads that a CoCo is primitive junk in
comparison to the more popular platforms of the day like the Apple II, C-64,
and Atari 8-bit. I think we should do what we can to understand and promote
the idea that we're all in the same small boat, past and present, and need
to evangelize this type of technology in general, rather than such a blatant
black and white, "this sucks."

-Bill

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On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Gene Heskett <gheskett at wdtv.com> wrote:

> On Saturday 08 March 2014 10:29:38 Bill did opine:
>
> > What should they run?
> >
> What a novel question, linux of course.  The coco, running os9, is a 
> great teacher, it teaches you how a computer should be usable.  From 
> os9 to nitros9, to amigados to linux, all multi-user, multitasking 
> systems, and you never have to put up with the windows tax, or 
> encounter its false, you can't do that controls.
>
> I have bought one (1) legit copy of windows in my life, instantly 
> installed what is now mageia linux on it because I was going out of 
> town for an extended period and needed something to keep my sanity and 
> use for email while I was out of town.  A laptop, but you could not 
> buy an assembled machine without windows on it.  I reinstalled another 
> linux on it a couple months after I got home with it, that time wiping 
> the xp partition which I had previously kept because of the wonders 
> drivers for the BCM4318 radio in it.  They didn't work any better that 
> the linux drivers for that chip, and
> 10 years later they still don't. So I use a usb dongle.  Now its 
> battery is long since toast and it serves as a terminal in the shop 
> that I use to log into one of the machines out there with an ssh -Y 
> machinename, and write gcode to run those machines in relative comfort.
>
> I never caught the virus called windows, and I am not about to start now.
> The rest of these machines scattered about my local network, were all 
> bought and assembled by me, so no further encroachments of windows has 
> even been allowed on the property unless I m fixing somebody else's
machine.
> And as I approach my 80th birthday, I no longer encourage an infected 
> windows box to be brought to me. Most are better off if you don't save 
> "your data" because you are probably saving infected files that will 
> self reinstall their keyloggers and such, just wipe 'em clean and and 
> format the
> drive(s) and reinstall.  But why should you do that?  Why not use 
> linux, using a good firewall providing router with DD-WRT installed on 
> it, and keep your data?  My corpus of email here for selected lists 
> reaches back almost 15 years, as this list is not expired, ever.  Can 
> any windows user claim that?
>
> Doubtful.  One gets the security he pays for. Most windows people 
> connect their machines direct to the modem their service provider 
> supplies. And because for that direct connection, the average windows 
> machine is owned 10 minutes after you plug in that cat5 cable.  Get 
> pro-active about security people, if you insist on running windows, at 
> least get a router that can be reflashed to DD-WRT, it will prolong 
> the reinstall cycle to get rid of the viri from the black hats that 
> want your banks login data so they can spend your money in Sebastapol. 
> Or NK for that matter. Or the muzzy countries are getting good at that
too.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com 
> > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com]
> > On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch
> > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:53 AM
> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] 512K upgrade
> >
> > Exhibit A for why friends don't let friends run Windows.
> >
> >
> >

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