[Coco] ShellPlus, may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts question

Sat Dec 13 16:50:14 EST 2014

Stephen, personally, I really dislike shell+ 2.1.
The original shell+ 2.1 by Ron Lammardo is in rtsi as you said, so why don't you just download it and use it and quit gripping about it being broken?
If others want to use it, they can. I have no need for scripts these days since there's utilities that do most of those functions without a lot of typing and remembering which script is the right one.
I very much like the input buffer history of shell_2.2a. And BTW... IT'S NOT BROKEN!
It's just a different shell (hence the name Shell Plus 2,2a) and "different strokes for different folks" and all that crap.
Just because you like 2.1 don't mean I have to like it (and I don't). The current shell fits my needs better as a programmer and is faster and half the size, taking up much less system memory.
Also, I tried the shell+2.1 on rtsi today and it runs fine with NitrOS9 3.3.0. And using it for a few minutes, I remembered why I didn't like it. I very quickly changed back.

Just my 2c

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 13, 2014 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [Coco] ShellPlus, may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts question

If my understanding of the current condition of ShellPlus on NitrOS-9 (Really 
BAD) is correct it will take a team of people to fix it.

What I will be writing of initially is the version of ShellPlus on the last 
active system disk I created (Floppy, 2 80Tracks 2Sides). I did convert to 
Jeff's CoCo 3 emulator but do not have as fresh a memory of that.

ftp://www.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/APPS/ShellPlus_2_1.lzh is close to the starting 
point.

ftp://www.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/APPS/ShellPlus_2_2a.lzh was not applied and the 
NitrOS-9 team will need to figure out how to add it in along with correcting 
what the doc's say what was tried to be corrected.

K. Darlings original SCF additions need to be understood as well, it is quite a 
mess of worms that he started. 

It would be best that someone interested dedicate their time to acquiring my 
knowledge and check what I say on a system like my OS-9 starting point. The less 
I do the more will be done by passing my knowledge on to others. 

There are conditions that I need to impose and be accepted. That some of these 
were not applied are part of the mess ShellPlus is in. The bad decisions were 
that no decision was taken. It was expected that users would apply patches to 
ShellPlus, NitrOS-9 does not include these patches and they likely would attempt 
to patch the wrong locations.

I had got ShellPlus into shape by actually using it. 

http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=89

You can see some of the scripts I wrote in that thread.

SHF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kip Koon" <computerdoc at sc.rr.com>
To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] ShellPlus,may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts 
question

> Stephen,
> Then by all means, Stay Happy!  :)  I reckon I don't know much about what all 
Shellplus 2.2a can do then.  When you finish the docs, I'd like to get a copy so 
I can read up on it.  In the meantime, the only option for the default shell in 
NitrOS-9 v03.03.00 that I know of is -p which I use in the following way.
> Dsave /dd ! shell -p
> Which saves the entire current drive to drive /DD which is the boot drive.  I 
think the -p puts one command line per line on the screen with no blank lines in 
between if I remember correctly.  If there are other capabilities of Shellplus 
2.2a, then I certainly do not know them, yet.  :)  Please keep me posted.
> 
> Kip Koon
> computerdoc at sc.rr.com
> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coco [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen H. 
Fischer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:56 PM
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [Coco] ShellPlus, may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts 
question
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gene Heskett" <gheskett at wdtv.com>
> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] ShellPlus,may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts 
question
> 
> 
>> Has the original truly disappeared into the sand of time?  Perhaps Ron 
>> Lammardo might still have a copy of the original?
>> 
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 
> I have what was on Delphi at the end. Several copies plus what is in RTSI 
which may give an incorrect picture.
> 
> That being said remember that Delphi often had the binaries while CI$ had the 
binaries AND THE SOURCE.
> 
> The last place for the sources is K. Darlings computer which was given to Br. 
Jeremy who is still in England AFAIK.
> 
> brjeremy at JUNO.COM is no longer in the CoCo subscriber list.
> 
> A dump of that computer needs to be done if at all possible.
> 
> Barring that it's my heavy use of ShellPlus and strong understanding I suspect 
all of it's features that are left.
> 
> Get me too mad and that will be lost.
> 
> SHF
> 
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