[Coco] ShellPlus, may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts question

Stephen H. Fischer SFischer1 at Mindspring.com
Sat Dec 13 17:16:59 EST 2014 

Your creating MShell IS the way to go, my effort is to try and document what is wrong with the Shell on NitrOS-9.

But that is far down the road.

Gene cannot repeat right now the bug both of us found at the same time. That was a huge red flag.

That you and perhaps others do not think it is broken is just fine, but you perhaps have not used ShellPlus like I did ~ three decades ago.

Have you ever used VDir? Written scripts like the ones I have uploaded?

I am not trying to affect MShell, but there are some things that it will not be able to do.

That I have not seen other people's ShellPlus scripts and signs that what it is is very sad.

SHF

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Pierce via Coco" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] ShellPlus,may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts question


> 
> Stephen, personally, I really dislike shell+ 2.1.
> The original shell+ 2.1 by Ron Lammardo is in rtsi as you said, so why don't you just download it and use it and quit gripping about it being broken?
> If others want to use it, they can. I have no need for scripts these days since there's utilities that do most of those functions without a lot of typing and remembering which script is the right one.
> I very much like the input buffer history of shell_2.2a. And BTW... IT'S NOT BROKEN!
> It's just a different shell (hence the name Shell Plus 2,2a) and "different strokes for different folks" and all that crap.
> Just because you like 2.1 don't mean I have to like it (and I don't). The current shell fits my needs better as a programmer and is faster and half the size, taking up much less system memory.
> Also, I tried the shell+2.1 on rtsi today and it runs fine with NitrOS9 3.3.0. And using it for a few minutes, I remembered why I didn't like it. I very quickly changed back.
> 
> 
> Just my 2c
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 13, 2014 11:42 am
> Subject: Re: [Coco] ShellPlus, may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts question
> 
> 
> If my understanding of the current condition of ShellPlus on NitrOS-9 (Really 
> BAD) is correct it will take a team of people to fix it.
> 
> What I will be writing of initially is the version of ShellPlus on the last 
> active system disk I created (Floppy, 2 80Tracks 2Sides). I did convert to 
> Jeff's CoCo 3 emulator but do not have as fresh a memory of that.
> 
> ftp://www.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/APPS/ShellPlus_2_1.lzh is close to the starting 
> point.
> 
> ftp://www.rtsi.com/OS9/OS9_6X09/APPS/ShellPlus_2_2a.lzh was not applied and the 
> NitrOS-9 team will need to figure out how to add it in along with correcting 
> what the doc's say what was tried to be corrected.
> 
> K. Darlings original SCF additions need to be understood as well, it is quite a 
> mess of worms that he started. 
> 
> It would be best that someone interested dedicate their time to acquiring my 
> knowledge and check what I say on a system like my OS-9 starting point. The less 
> I do the more will be done by passing my knowledge on to others. 
> 
> There are conditions that I need to impose and be accepted. That some of these 
> were not applied are part of the mess ShellPlus is in. The bad decisions were 
> that no decision was taken. It was expected that users would apply patches to 
> ShellPlus, NitrOS-9 does not include these patches and they likely would attempt 
> to patch the wrong locations.
> 
> I had got ShellPlus into shape by actually using it. 
> 
> http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=89
> 
> You can see some of the scripts I wrote in that thread.
> 
> SHF
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kip Koon" <computerdoc at sc.rr.com>
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] ShellPlus,may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts 
> question
> 
> 
>> Stephen,
>> Then by all means, Stay Happy!  :)  I reckon I don't know much about what all 
> Shellplus 2.2a can do then.  When you finish the docs, I'd like to get a copy so 
> I can read up on it.  In the meantime, the only option for the default shell in 
> NitrOS-9 v03.03.00 that I know of is -p which I use in the following way.
>> Dsave /dd ! shell -p
>> Which saves the entire current drive to drive /DD which is the boot drive.  I 
> think the -p puts one command line per line on the screen with no blank lines in 
> between if I remember correctly.  If there are other capabilities of Shellplus 
> 2.2a, then I certainly do not know them, yet.  :)  Please keep me posted.
>> 
>> Kip Koon
>> computerdoc at sc.rr.com
>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Coco [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Stephen H. 
> Fischer
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:56 PM
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] ShellPlus, may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts 
> question
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gene Heskett" <gheskett at wdtv.com>
>> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] ShellPlus,may it rest in peace. Was: Nitros9/Scripts 
> question
>> 
>> 
>>> Has the original truly disappeared into the sand of time?  Perhaps Ron 
>>> Lammardo might still have a copy of the original?
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>> 
>> I have what was on Delphi at the end. Several copies plus what is in RTSI 
> which may give an incorrect picture.
>> 
>> That being said remember that Delphi often had the binaries while CI$ had the 
> binaries AND THE SOURCE.
>> 
>> The last place for the sources is K. Darlings computer which was given to Br. 
> Jeremy who is still in England AFAIK.
>> 
>> brjeremy at JUNO.COM is no longer in the CoCo subscriber list.
>> 
>> A dump of that computer needs to be done if at all possible.
>> 
>> Barring that it's my heavy use of ShellPlus and strong understanding I suspect 
> all of it's features that are left.
>> 
>> Get me too mad and that will be lost.
>> 
>> SHF
>> 
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