[Papyrus-L] Anyone encountered this problem?

[Palmer, Mike]

Dear good folks,

I would like to thank a number of people in helping out with this.  I am
narrowing down on a solution.  Some points:

1) the "Papyrus 7 to Endnote Format" can be modified to make tags less
ambiguous.
2) The Endote import filter "Endnote Import" seems to recognize more
fields, and is more flexible, than "RefBiblX".
3) "Comments" are stored by the Papyrus export under the %O tag.
Unfortunately, different reference types in EndNote assign the %O tab to
different fields.  Thus, I changed all of the "%O" tags to "%<", which
is universally recognized by Endnote as a "Research Notes" field.  There
are similar problems with the "%N" tag.
4) Endnote apparently has a strange bug: when you modify an import
filter for a reference type other than 'Journal Article', then the
'Journal Article' type is no longer able to accept the %F tag from the
Papyrus export (this tag is used to store the Papyrus reference number).
The EndNote people are working on figuring out this bug.

Because of #4, I am finding it more productive to modify the Papyrus
export format than to modify the Endnote import filter.  If and when it
seems to work well (noting that there are fields I do not use in Papyrus
and will therefore not modify), I would be happy to provide my modified
export format file to anyone interested.

--Mike






Michael W. Palmer, Botany Department, Oklahoma State University
104 LSE Stillwater OK 74078 USA 405-744-7717 fax:405-744-7074
LABORATORY FOR INNOVATIVE BIODIVERSITY RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS:
http://ecology.okstate.edu/Libra/ 
OSU Botany: http://botany.okstate.edu/     OSU Ecology:
http://ecology.okstate.edu 

-----Original Message-----
From: papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
[mailto:papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On Behalf Of Raisa
Deber
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:12 AM
To: Papyrus Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Anyone encountered this problem?

As requested, I'm providing some additional information about this on  
list - Mike and Kan (our project manager) can give more details if  
required.  Evidently, the issue relates to how one formats/edits your  
import filters from EndNote (Edit/Import filters).  When you edit a  
particular filter you can specify what %9 variables link to within  
EndNote.   You modify/add these links in the 'Templates' area when  
editing a filter.
Kan has managed to format these filters so that all fields can be  
transferred, for the benefit of our team members using EndNote. We're  
still maintaining the full database in Papyrus, and many of us  
(including me) are still sticking with Papyrus, but this gives us  
some flexibility, particularly for those needing to text extract from  
Windows versions of Word.  BTW, I have been told that Endnote has  
also added a field to allow us to keep the Papyrus number, and even  
use it for text extracting.  This may or may not have anything to do  
with my request to Endnote a few years ago that they add that  
functionality.


I hope this helps.

Raisa

On 17-Jul-07, at 1:50 PM, Raisa Deber wrote:


> Hi, Mike.  As luck would have it, our star project manager has been  

> working this out, and can help you out.  He'll e-mail you off list.

> Raisa Deber

>

> On 16-Jul-07, at 2:16 PM, Palmer, Mike wrote:

>

>> Dear listserv,

>>

>>

>>

>> On July 9, I sent a query to papyrus-l about conversion to Endnote  

>> as posted below.  I also attempted to contact the papyrus help  

>> email address, Endnote help personnel, and Dave Goldman directly.  

>> Nobody has responded, nor even acknowledged receipt of my query  

>> (though I do realize that many people are away in July).

>>

>>

>>

>>  I suspect the reason for a lack of response is that either the  

>> problem is a quirk that only I have encountered, or it is a  

>> general problem that many have encountered but that nobody has yet  

>> solved.

>>

>>

>>

>> So let me ask another question: Has anyone else encountered this  

>> problem?  That is, when a reference is a thesis, does it get  

>> imported properly into EndNote?  Do editions of books get  

>> transferred properly?

>>

>>

>>

>> (this affects almost 1500 references in my bibliography, so I  

>> would prefer not to have to edit them all by hand!!).

>>

>>

>>

>> --Mike

>>

>>

>>

>> Michael W. Palmer, Botany Department, Oklahoma State University

>> 104 LSE Stillwater OK 74078 USA 405-744-7717 fax:405-744-7074

>> LABORATORY FOR INNOVATIVE BIODIVERSITY RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS:  

>> http://ecology.okstate.edu/Libra/

>> OSU Botany: http://botany.okstate.edu/     OSU Ecology: http:// 

>> ecology.okstate.edu

>>

>> From: Palmer, Mike

>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:46 PM

>> To: 'papyrus-l at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com'

>> Subject: conversion to Endnote: problems with theses and editions

>>

>>

>>

>> Dear listserv,

>>

>>

>>

>> I have (reluctantly) converted my Papyrus bibliography to Endnote  

>> using the conversion files and instructions given here: http:// 

>> endnote.com/support/enconversion.asp.  However, theses,  

>> dissertations and books do not get converted properly.  For  

>> example, '%9 Thesis' or '%9 Dissertation' becomes concatenated to  

>> the title in Endnote, and all information stored about the degree  

>> (e.g. MS, MA, BS etc.) is lost or at least invisible.  Similar odd  

>> things happen with the information about the editions of books.

>>

>>

>>

>> Does anyone know a fix to this problem?

>>

>>

>>

>> Many thanks,

>>

>>

>>

>> --Mike

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Michael W. Palmer, Botany Department, Oklahoma State University

>> 104 LSE Stillwater OK 74078 USA 405-744-7717 fax:405-744-7074

>> LABORATORY FOR INNOVATIVE BIODIVERSITY RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS:  

>> http://ecology.okstate.edu/Libra/

>> OSU Botany: http://botany.okstate.edu/     OSU Ecology: http:// 

>> ecology.okstate.edu

>>

>>

>>

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> Raisa Deber, PhD

> Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation

> Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto

> Director, CIHR Team in Community Care and Health Human Resources  

> (www.teamgrant.ca)

> Health Sciences Building

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Raisa Deber, PhD
Professor, Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation
Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto
Director, CIHR Team in Community Care and Health Human Resources  
(www.teamgrant.ca)
Health Sciences Building
155 College Street Suite 425
Toronto, ON  M5T 3M6
phone:  (416) 978-8366
fax:  (416) 978-7350
e-mail:  raisa.deber at utoronto.ca


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