[Papyrus-L] Saga of a Papyrus data conversion
Derek B. Cornish
100341.2151 at compuserve.com
Sat Oct 28 17:54:45 EDT 2006
Jim -
Thanks very much - from a relatively new Papyrus user - for your detailed
description of converting to Ref Manager. I am sure it will be helpful, not
only for Ref Manager users, but others contemplating moving to a Windows
program.
In fact I did just that after having accumulated a small collection of
references in Papyrus - many of which I had imported into Papyrus from text
files using the excellent intructions for building filters. I am now using
Biblioscape, although I must say I find it somewhat fragile and
temperamental, constantly requiring index rebuilding. Partly because of
these problems I have been considering returning to Papyrus, which I was
quite reluctant to leave. I was very interested in your comment:
> First, until very recently I used Papyrus on the most modern versions of
Windows XP, and it should work fine, providing you do a few tweaks to the
"Command Prompt".
What tweaks did you use, and do they solve all the XP problems mentioned
from time to time on this mailing-list? I still use a number of DOS programs
on XP, not because I am some sort of information technology dinosaur, but
simply because they work better for me than their Windows equivalents. Some
DOS programs in question are: Quicken (UK v6 with UK and US accounts),
Grandview outliner, Lotus Agenda, and PC-Write - all used with TameDOS
[http://www.tamedos.com/] to improve their functioning in an XP DOS window.
Derek
> -----Original Message-----
> From: papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
> [mailto:papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Mallet
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:07 PM
> To: Papyrus Discussion List
> Subject: [Papyrus-L] Saga of a Papyrus data conversion
>
>
> [sending again, since first time didn't work] I sympathize
> with both these queries (Bill Lindsay and Florin Curta). I
> thought some of you might find my own experiences helpful.
>
> After many years of using Papyrus, I too felt I ought to make
> the change.
>
> First, until very recently I used Papyrus on the most modern
> versions of Windows XP, and it should work fine, providing
> you do a few tweaks to the "Command Prompt". Bill Lindsay's
> *.BIB file must have got corrupted somehow. Are you sure it
> still works on your Windows 98? If you have a network card,
> perhaps you can make a local network with your two computers
> -- we used to run Win98 and Win 2000/XP on the same network
> OK; then you would just copy between the two computers -- get
> a geek to help if you don't know how to do that.
>
> For my new software, I ended up using another Thompson-ISI
> programme, Ref Manager, rather than EndNote, because I heard
> it was more customizable. I still don't know whether this is
> actually true. They were all bought up by Thompson-ISI, so
> it's a monopoly now, which is a pity.
>
> Theoretically, it is simple to transfer the data, you output
> the file using a RIS format from Papyrus, and then import it
> into the new database using Ref Manager's RIS filter.
>
> But in practice, you lose a lot of formatting if you import
> from Papyrus using the standard filter. Particularly italics
> (which are commonly found in titles of papers, and are
> important in biology for scientific names), and special
> characters such as accented letters in foreign languages,
> which Papyrus was quite good at handling using Extended ASCII
> characters. The italics highlighting is specific to Ref
> Manager, but the special characters are a problem because
> whereas Papyrus and old fashioned pre-Windows programmes used
> extended ASCII text codes, the newer Windows programmes use
> different ANSI text codes for special characters.
>
> To solve most of the problems, I needed to edit the RIS text
> file using a text editor (n.b. beware use of MS Word and
> other Windows programmes, which will often create line breaks
> where you don't want them). For a text editor, I strongly
> recommend TextPad, available as a fully functional trial
> version on the internet.
>
> Eventually, I found there was a way that I could tell
> Reference Manager where the italics were. I was simply able
> to replace the italics on and off codes, which Papyrus
> helpfully put into the output file, into the Ref Manager
> preferred import codes, which you can set up.
>
> I had to scan through the large text file of the resultant
> literature data to find examples of the special characters
> which showed up as strange characters in the text file.
> Although I often couldn't see these codes properly in the
> text editor, I could highlight them and paste them into the
> "Find" part of a "Find and Replace" dialog of TextPad, and
> replace them with the correct special character (again placed
> in the "Replace" box by pasting from a text file). After a
> few tentative attempts, I found it worked, and so I replaced
> all examples of weird characters I found globally. Since I
> didn't know all the special characters I had used, I merely
> searched through replacing most things, i.e. most of the
> French, Spanish and German accents. I think I got most of them.
>
> Then I had a problem that Ref Manager thought that every
> single one of my journal names were the abbreviations, and
> not the full journal names that Papyrus had given it. In
> fact, I had lost all the abbreviations!
>
> To sort this out, I talked with the people at Ref Manager who
> helped me a bit. Ref Manager, like Papyrus, contains a
> databased list of periodicals with several abbreviations
> allowed for each, which it treats as synonyms if there is an
> exact match. So what I did in the end was export a list of
> journals with abbreviations from Papyrus, edit them into the
> appropriate format as a text file (I had to make sure all the
> special characters were correctly replaced in this new file as well).
>
> I then started a new Ref Manager database with no data in it,
> and imported the journal list according to the instructions
> given me by the Ref Manager help personnel.
>
> Then, into this new file, I imported the literature records
> from the existing database that I had converted from the RIS
> file (i.e. this was now in another Reference Manager
> database). Then since the new Ref Manager in every case
> recognized the full journal title as a synonym of the
> journals it already knew about (both the literature records
> and the periodical titles were of course from the same
> original Papyrus database), the synonym was correct. Now it
> knows all the journal abbreviations too.
>
> As you can see, this was all quite tricky and took a certain
> amount of knowledge about how to manipulate text files, plus
> a lot of manual search and replace work. But I think it was
> quicker to do this than to all the retyping it would have
> required if I hadn't done the automated editing of the RIS file.
>
> Finally, I have all of my data, journals and abbreviations,
> and keywords etc. When I say all my data, this is all the
> approx 11000 major papers I have ever made notes on, ever
> since I was an undergraduate (I am 50 now). I started with a
> card index, and when a Professor in the USA managed to get a
> work-study student to type it all into Papyrus. It's kind of
> nice to have everything I have ever read as an academic! And
> it's in a useful format for literature citation. I have now
> successfully written articles with complex, numerical
> references, and which allow automatic citations using Ref
> Manager's MS-Word add-in. Updating numerically cited
> reference lists (as in Science or Nature) was very hard to do
> in Papyrus, so it probably is labour saving to make the change.
>
> But I still miss Papyrus! I found it a lot easier to use
> than Ref Manager, even though Papyrus wasn't windowed, and I
> can no longer cut and paste a simple abbreviated reference,
> which was possible in Papyrus, of course. I could then pop
> the pasted reference into an email and send it to a friend,
> or print it out for a student. Papyrus had an amazing number
> of clever, labour-saving attributes which today's literature
> database software still don't match.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Sincerely, Jim Mallet
>
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