[Papyrus-L] Problems with Citations using XP

Raisa Deber raisa.deber at utoronto.ca
Mon Nov 4 12:46:20 EST 2002 

At 11:29 AM 11/4/2002 -0500, Thomas Gill wrote:

>This is what happens, at least when I try it.
>
>The first citation works fine.  When I try a second citation, the
>clip.txt file does not get updated, i.e. the first citation is still
>there when I open the file using Notepad.  If I close the Word document
>that I am working on and cite the 2nd reference again, the clip.txt file
>gets updated with the 2nd reference.

Mysterious, but my suggestions are:
Do NOT name it clip.txt.  I suspect that Windows assigns that name to 
something graphical.  (I name it cited.txt instead)
Do not open the txt file from word.  Instead, paste the txt file into your 
document without formally opening the txt file.  There are always problems 
with accessing files which are in use by another program.  So, don't let 
Windows think that your txt file is being used by word.  (The fact that 
closing the Word document closes off the txt file seems to be a giveaway 
that that may be what's happening.)
See if that works.  And good luck.
Raisa


>Any ideas?
>
>
>*************************************************************
>Thomas M. Gill, M.D.
>Associate Professor of Medicine
>Yale University School of Medicine
>20 York Street, TMP 17B
>New Haven, CT 06504
>Phone: (203) 688-3344   Fax: (203) 688-4209
>Email: gill at ynhh.org
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> >>> raisa.deber at utoronto.ca 11/4/02 12:17:37 PM >>>
>At 09:17 AM 11/4/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >Dear Raisa,
> >     I tried that approach in XP and it doesn't work.  I think Tom
>Gill is
> >saying he tried the same.  You can get Papyrus to write to the
>diskfile,
> >but you can't access it but "about" one time.  If you try access the
> >diskfile a second time, the wordprocessor (I tried this in Word and
> >WordPerfect) seems to go into an infinite wait mode, and as I recall
>it
> >slows down the entire machine.  I tried all the different environment
> >emulator states that XP claims to let you use - they do give
>different
> >performances but none of them solved this problem.
> >
> >         -John
>
>John, what happens to the file that you are citing to that makes it
>hang?   My first thought is that it might be related to the name/suffix
>you
>are using.  Windows can be a bit weird about its automatic assumptions
>
>about the file structure re: assignments.  For example, it kept wanting
>to
>take files produced by my statistical package, SAS, and designate them
>as
>being sound files for some media driver (which I didn't even know I
>had.)  I also had a bit of trouble when I used the default Papyrus
>naming
>for the cite file- at erratic intervals, Windows was trying to convert
>the
>file to a graphics file, or something else weird, rather than leaving
>it as
>a text file.  I suspected I was either running into a reserved file
>name,
>or some sort of assignment hidden in the operating system.  Calling it
>
>cited.txt (and putting it in the Papyrus directory) worked.
>
>What I'd do to debug is to cite to the file from Papyrus.  Then, back
>in
>Windows, open that file with something like Notepad (NOT a word
>processor -
>it introduces too many other codes) to see what it looks like.  Close
>it.  Go back to Papyrus and try the cite again.  Open the file with
>notepad
>again.  See what, if anything, is happening there.  In theory, there is
>no
>reason why the approach of citing to a text file shouldn't work, unless
>
>Windows is introducing something strange, in which case it might be
>possible to find out what it is doing and get it to stop.
>Good luck.
>Raisa
>
>
>
> >At 10:06 AM 11/4/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > >At 08:19 AM 11/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > >>Since there has been only 1 response to my previous query from
>last
> > >>week, I will reframe the question.
> > >>
> > >>Has anyone successfully figured out how to use Papyrus to cite
> > >>references in Word97 documents in an XP environment?
> > >
> > >I haven't used XP, and I no longer use Word97, so take these
>remarks
> > >accordingly.
> > >But I don't see why using the Windows 2000 approach of setting up a
>file
> > >(rather than the clipboard) and letting Papyrus cite to it wouldn't
>work.
> > >So, in the preferences, OS2/NT Clipboard, tell Papyrus to use a file
>rather
> > >than the clipboard.  (I'd use something which the operating system
>is
> > >unlikely to use - e.g., cited.txt).  Then any citation would paste
>the
> > >material into that file.  Since there is no need to ever have that
>file
> > >open (as opposed to pasting from it into your word document)
>updating
> > >should work smoothly.  I don't even think you'd need a macro - just
>paste
> > >from that file.
> > >Hope this works.
> > >Raisa Deber
> > >
> > >
> > >>I had previously written a Macro in NT, buy it only works in XP
>when
> > >>the Papyrus clipboard file is first created.
> > >>
> > >>It appears that Papyrus cannot update the clipboard file (with new
> > >>citations) unless the primary (i.e. citing) document is closed.
> > >>
> > >>I would be grateful for your help.
> > >>
> > >>Tom Gill
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>*************************************************************
> > >>Thomas M. Gill, M.D.
> > >>Associate Professor of Medicine
> > >>Yale University School of Medicine
> > >>20 York Street, TMP 17B
> > >>New Haven, CT 06504
> > >>Phone: (203) 688-3344   Fax: (203) 688-4209
> > >>Email: gill at ynhh.org
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Raisa B. Deber, PhD
Professor
Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation
University of Toronto
McMurrich Building, 2nd Floor
12 Queen's Park Crescent West
Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A8
telephone: (416) 978-8366
fax:  (416) 978-7350
e-mail:  raisa.deber at utoronto.ca

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