[Papyrus-L] Problems with Citations using XP

Thomas Gill gill at ynhh.org
Mon Nov 4 11:29:43 EST 2002 

This is what happens, at least when I try it.

The first citation works fine.  When I try a second citation, the
clip.txt file does not get updated, i.e. the first citation is still
there when I open the file using Notepad.  If I close the Word document
that I am working on and cite the 2nd reference again, the clip.txt file
gets updated with the 2nd reference.

Any ideas?


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Thomas M. Gill, M.D.
Associate Professor of Medicine
Yale University School of Medicine
20 York Street, TMP 17B
New Haven, CT 06504
Phone: (203) 688-3344   Fax: (203) 688-4209
Email: gill at ynhh.org
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>>> raisa.deber at utoronto.ca 11/4/02 12:17:37 PM >>>
At 09:17 AM 11/4/2002 -0600, you wrote:

>Dear Raisa,
>     I tried that approach in XP and it doesn't work.  I think Tom
Gill is
>saying he tried the same.  You can get Papyrus to write to the
diskfile,
>but you can't access it but "about" one time.  If you try access the
>diskfile a second time, the wordprocessor (I tried this in Word and
>WordPerfect) seems to go into an infinite wait mode, and as I recall
it
>slows down the entire machine.  I tried all the different environment
>emulator states that XP claims to let you use - they do give
different
>performances but none of them solved this problem.
>
>         -John

John, what happens to the file that you are citing to that makes it 
hang?   My first thought is that it might be related to the name/suffix
you 
are using.  Windows can be a bit weird about its automatic assumptions

about the file structure re: assignments.  For example, it kept wanting
to 
take files produced by my statistical package, SAS, and designate them
as 
being sound files for some media driver (which I didn't even know I 
had.)  I also had a bit of trouble when I used the default Papyrus
naming 
for the cite file- at erratic intervals, Windows was trying to convert
the 
file to a graphics file, or something else weird, rather than leaving
it as 
a text file.  I suspected I was either running into a reserved file
name, 
or some sort of assignment hidden in the operating system.  Calling it

cited.txt (and putting it in the Papyrus directory) worked.

What I'd do to debug is to cite to the file from Papyrus.  Then, back
in 
Windows, open that file with something like Notepad (NOT a word
processor - 
it introduces too many other codes) to see what it looks like.  Close 
it.  Go back to Papyrus and try the cite again.  Open the file with
notepad 
again.  See what, if anything, is happening there.  In theory, there is
no 
reason why the approach of citing to a text file shouldn't work, unless

Windows is introducing something strange, in which case it might be 
possible to find out what it is doing and get it to stop.
Good luck.
Raisa



>At 10:06 AM 11/4/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >At 08:19 AM 11/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>Since there has been only 1 response to my previous query from
last
> >>week, I will reframe the question.
> >>
> >>Has anyone successfully figured out how to use Papyrus to cite
> >>references in Word97 documents in an XP environment?
> >
> >I haven't used XP, and I no longer use Word97, so take these
remarks
> >accordingly.
> >But I don't see why using the Windows 2000 approach of setting up a
file
> >(rather than the clipboard) and letting Papyrus cite to it wouldn't
work.
> >So, in the preferences, OS2/NT Clipboard, tell Papyrus to use a file
rather
> >than the clipboard.  (I'd use something which the operating system
is
> >unlikely to use - e.g., cited.txt).  Then any citation would paste
the
> >material into that file.  Since there is no need to ever have that
file
> >open (as opposed to pasting from it into your word document)
updating
> >should work smoothly.  I don't even think you'd need a macro - just
paste
> >from that file.
> >Hope this works.
> >Raisa Deber
> >
> >
> >>I had previously written a Macro in NT, buy it only works in XP
when
> >>the Papyrus clipboard file is first created.
> >>
> >>It appears that Papyrus cannot update the clipboard file (with new
> >>citations) unless the primary (i.e. citing) document is closed.
> >>
> >>I would be grateful for your help.
> >>
> >>Tom Gill
> >>
> >>
> >>*************************************************************
> >>Thomas M. Gill, M.D.
> >>Associate Professor of Medicine
> >>Yale University School of Medicine
> >>20 York Street, TMP 17B
> >>New Haven, CT 06504
> >>Phone: (203) 688-3344   Fax: (203) 688-4209
> >>Email: gill at ynhh.org 
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Professor
Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation
University of Toronto
McMurrich Building, 2nd Floor
12 Queen's Park Crescent West
Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A8
telephone: (416) 978-8366
fax:  (416) 978-7350
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