[Coco] List Etiquette

[Spencer]

 There's really no need to put a finger in anyone's eyes or point out a "netiquette" that's been around for 30 years.  It's not a war between points of views or differences it's about conforming.  NOT once have I read where a person is against the list hosts' request; however, I've read views that seem antagonistic not positive.  Personally I have never heard of this "netiquette" for 30 years thing; I worked in Feds for 20 years as a IDS DBA and never saw it.  I don't understand why grown adults come off with this know-it-all attitude and act so righteous and do absolutely perfect every time.  We all fall short.  
DID I say anything about not conforming?!?!  I do believe I know how to maintain websites and understand about space issues; a good DBA can absolutely always design a DB to efficiently save data and grow fields when necessary.  I too hosted websites in the dial-up days, so I understand rules and space issues; I just hosted them for fun and when I needed to grow my system - I grew it.  Some notes I've read on this topic are a bit nasty.  Trying to say "unsubscribe."  Again NOT once have I seen any text where someone is disagreeing with the hosts' request.  
I had enough of this discussion; it's no longer positive to me, but comes off as negative and a waste of time and my thoughts.  As Charlie Brown would say "good grief."
    On ‎Friday‎, ‎October‎ ‎19‎, ‎2018‎ ‎03‎:‎02‎:‎20‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Zippster <zippster278 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Though untrimmed messages don’t bother me in the least the way I use email (in fact I find it convenient), 
and despite the fact that I find the whole ‘netiquette’ thing a bit silly and generally pedantic, *this* is really 
all you need to know…

"The list owner is the ruler of the list, and he expects list trimming."

So trim them out of respect for the list owner.

- Ed

 
> On Oct 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, RETRO Innovations <go4retro at go4retro.com> wrote:
> 
> I can appreciate folks' desire to keep the long trail of previous responses, but email trimming is not a new thing, it's been part of email "hygiene" for 30 years.  While it may be a "pain", it's considered part of the effort folks exercise when they utilize electronic mail.
> 
> Specifically, such "netiquette" is formally defined in Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Request for Comment (RFC) 1855
> 
> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt (bottom of page 3)
> 
>    - Be brief without being overly terse.  When replying to a message,
>      include enough original material to be understood but no more. It
>      is extremely bad form to simply reply to a message by including
>      all the previous message: edit out all the irrelevant material.
> 
> Though the name may suggest otherwise, a formally published RFC is actually an in-force set of rules.  Our electronic mail system, as you are using to send your content, was formally specified in RFC821 (1982), obsoleted by RFC2821 (2001), which was in turn obsoleted by RFC 5321 (2008), and in turn was updated by RFC7504.
> 
> As you can see, RFC1855 is dated 1995, so it's 23 years old.  The Internet only works if people adhere to the RFCs.  Where machines must do the work, they enforce the RFC rules.  People, in turn, must do their part.
> 
> Regardless of how you feel about it personally, The list owner is the ruler of the list, and he expects list trimming.  Therefore, the continued discussion of its merits is inappropriate.  Find a manual or automated way to trim your content you post to the list, or unsubscribe and participate in other forums that allow long form content.
> 
> Jim


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