[Coco] MC-11 Status Update
Salvador Garcia
ssalvadorgarcia at netscape.net
Tue Jul 28 20:41:23 EDT 2015
And in the US, if you are near a Fry's or Microcenter you might also find a good deal.
Salvador
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Coulbourne <bear at bears.org>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2015 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] MC-11 Status Update
I've found that secondhand stores, Goodwill, and the like usually have a
pile
of $5 PS2 keyboards.
Peace,
Gary
> Mark Marlette
<mailto:mmarlette at frontiernet.net>
> Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:34 PM
> That is
correct.
>
>
> That is easy. Getting the keys to the coco is harder. Especially
multiple keys down at the same time.
>
> Far from impossible. All I have to is
change the driver on the front end, add the host and change the lookups via
conditionals.
>
> Done this in an development board already. Overkill for a USB
host, IMHO. Thus why I have PS/2 interface. Some have commented that the PS/2
interface is too expensive. A USB solution from me would be higher due to the
host device.
>
> YMMV.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on
Android
>
> From:"lciotti at lrlc.us lciotti at lrlc.us" <lciotti at lrlc.us>
> Date:Tue,
Jul 28, 2015 at 3:22 PM
> Subject:Re: [Coco] MC-11 Status Update
>
> USB would
be nice, but that would require having something to act as the USB
> host (this
is my understanding of how USB works, someone more knowledgable thatn
> me might
know better.)
>
>> On July 28, 2015 at 4:19 PM Mark Marlette
<mmarlette at frontiernet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> didier
>>
>>
>> So what
you are saying is that the raw keycodes coming from the keyboards
>> that don't
work are different than from the spec?
>>
>>
>> USB and PS/2 have different
values for the lookups.
>>
>>
>> My raw values were always correct.
Hmmmm.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on
Android
>>
>> From:"didier derny" <didier at aida.org>
>> Date:Tue, Jul 28,
2015 at 2:23 PM
>> Subject:Re: [Coco] MC-11 Status Update
>>
>> Hi
Mark
>>
>> the problem is quite simple, most of the interface for old
machines only
>> works with qwerty keyboard
>> if you buy one from
amazon.fr you will find a ps/2 azerty keyboard the
>> signs on the key does
not match the result
>> if you look for a ps/2 qwerty you find some but most
of the time mini
>> keyboard so small that it's hell to use
>> and most
of the time badly mapped
>>
>> if you buy a normal size keyboard most of the
time it's a usb keyboard
>> with an adaptator
>> the adaptator +
keyboard is just not working
>>
>> if you try to buy from amazon.com you
will find a nice keyboard + extra
>> taxes + transport
>> the keyboards
becomes really expensive and you have a high chance to get
>> a usb
keyboard
>> with a non working adapter... (so I don't take the risk)
>>
>>
that's why I'm building my own keyboard interface. I searched for more
>>
than a year for a solution
>> I found one, I'll be able to use an azerty
keyboard completely localized
>> on my old machines
>>
>> I'm tired of
struggling with these ps/2 keyboard and I would have
>> preferred to see a
usb
>> connector on Darren's board.
>>
>> --
>> didier
>>
>>
>>
On 28/07/2015 15:34, Mark Marlette wrote:
>> > What specifically was the
issue? Not working in ps/2 mode?
>> >
>> >
>> > Are these dual mode
keyboards? USB with maybe ps/2 support?
>> >
>> >
>> > My experience
has been zero issues with ps/2 keyboards. Yes there are
>> > bad keyboards
but never bought a new bad one.
>> >
>> >
>> > I agree with Aaron on
usb and ps/2.
>> >
>> >
>> > Getting keys either usb or ps/2 to the
coco is easy. Getting them to
>> > output any key press is a bit harder.
>>
>
>> >
>> > In the Cloud-9 PS/2 interface both RSDOS and NitrOS-9 tables
are fully
>> > supported with many macro and pre canned tables as well.
Programmable
>> > macros of the 12 function keys 50 keys each max. Both
keyboards can be
>> > used simultaneously if one prefers.
>> >
>> >
Regards
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on
Android
>> >
>> > From:"Didier Derny" <didier at aida.org>
>> >
Date:Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:00 AM
>> > Subject:Re: [Coco] MC-11 Status
Update
>> >
>> > Frankly after having bought around 10 keyboards most of
them not working
>> > in ps/2 mode
>> > I took the simplest resolution
to never use a ps/2 keyboard again
>> >
>> > my apple IIe is using a usb
keyboard
>> > my c64/vic20 have already been connected to a usb keyboard
(even with a
>> > national keyboard)
>> > for my coco2/coco3 it's on its
way...
>> >
>> > I won't buy 10 keyboard again to find a working one (or
pay a high price
>> > for the transport)
>> > the one I found several
years ago [not sold anymore] (it was the
>> > parallax keyboard for the
propeller)
>> >
>> > I love national keyboards :) and my fingers are
not fitted for qwerty
>> > keyboards :)
>> >
>> > the usb only allow
what was programmed in the chip used for usb
>> > if you only have HID
devices software you won't connect a mass storage
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
> On 28/07/2015 13:34, Aaron Wolfe wrote:
>> >> Contact a business
equipment/computing supplier. In the US examples are
>> >> staples, office
depot, office max, Ingram micro, CDW, etc. You
>> >> probably
>> >>
won't see PS/2 devices in a retail store because its become uncommon
>> >>
for
>> >> home use, but they all sell them. PS/2 devices are still used by
many
>> >> companies for security purposes on desktops and especially on
servers.
>> >> A
>> >> USB port allows many dangerous devices such as
portable mass storage,
>> >> while
>> >> ps/2 connectors are pretty
safe, so it is not uncommon to have usb
>> >> disabled
>> >> on company
owned computers. Amazon also carries quite a few, if they
>> >> deliver to
your area. Not expensive.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:33 AM
Didier Derny <didier at aida.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> In my country, if it
is still possible to find good ps/2 mouse, qwerty
>> >>> ps/2 keyboards are
not common we have to buy them overseas
>> >>> most of the keyboard are just
usb with a non working usb to ps/2
>> >>> adapter
>> >>> and azerty
keyboard are not properly decoded
>> >>>
>> >>> After having tried to
find for my old machine some usb interface I'm
>> >>> finally building
mine
>> >>>
>> >>> I would love to buy Darren's Board it looks quite
nice but with ps/2
>> >>> I'm
>> >>> not so sure to buy one
>> >>> I
love his cocoSDC and I guess his new board is also very good.
>> >>>
>>
>>> --
>> >>> didier
>> >>>
>> >>> On 28/07/2015 04:01, Zippster
wrote:
>> >>>> Well, make that over 600. I guess a lot of those were
adapters and
>> >>> similar.
>> >>>> - Ed
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>>
>>>>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Zippster <zippster278 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>> >>>>> Yeah, I think most older USB keyboards will support the
adapters.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> But as Al was indicating, PS2 keyboards are
commonplace. A quick
>> >>>>> ebay
>> >>> query turns up
>> >>>>>
over 6,000 listings with a wide variety of prices (starting at
>> >>>>>
almost
>> >>> nothing) and styles.
>> >>>>> - Ed
>> >>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Steve Batson via Coco <
>>
>>> coco at maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> I have some old keyboards around
that may work then...I guess I'll
>> >>> wait and see what the end state of
this thing is. I would be fun to
>> >>> use to
>> >>> build up a
system.
>> >>>>>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Al Hartman
<alhartman6 at optonline.net>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> A PS/2 to USB
adapter only converts the pin assignments. The
>> >>>>>>> keyboard
>>
>>> has to have the circuitry within it to detect that you have attached
>>
>>> the
>> >>> adapter and switch to PS/2 mode.
>> >>>>>>> That's why
these adapters don't work with every keyboard.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
There are active adapters that have circuitry, they will cost a
>> >>>>>>>
bit
>> >>> more money. But, you can still find PS/2 keyboards if you look
on
>> >>> Amazon,
>> >>> eBay, and elsewhere.
>> >>>>>>> -[ Al ]-
>>
>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 5:27
PM, Steve
>> >>> Batson via Coco wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Cool so I suspect
that it would work fine with a PS2 to USB
>> >>>>>>>> adapter.
>>
>>>>>>>> This sounds like a great homebrew computer that you could build
>>
>>>>>>>> up
>> >>> for all
>> >>>>>>>> kinds of control projects and
things like that
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> lciotti at lrlc.us
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> Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:22 PM
> USB
would be nice, but that would require having something to act as
> the USB
>
host (this is my understanding of how USB works, someone more
> knowledgable
thatn
> me might know better.)
>
>
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