[Coco] MC-11 Status Update
dave
dave at davebiz.com
Tue Jul 28 17:52:21 EDT 2015
I have at least 12 brand new black PS/2 keyboards that are surplus. They
are full-size US layout keyboards with numeric keypad. These are not
high-end keyboards but they are brand-new in the box. I can let them go
for $7 each + shipping.
Dave Philipsen
On , Gary Coulbourne wrote:
> I've found that secondhand stores, Goodwill, and the like usually have
> a
> pile of $5 PS2 keyboards.
>
> Peace,
> Gary
>> Mark Marlette <mailto:mmarlette at frontiernet.net>
>> Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:34 PM
>> That is correct.
>>
>>
>> That is easy. Getting the keys to the coco is harder. Especially
>> multiple keys down at the same time.
>>
>> Far from impossible. All I have to is change the driver on the front
>> end, add the host and change the lookups via conditionals.
>>
>> Done this in an development board already. Overkill for a USB host,
>> IMHO. Thus why I have PS/2 interface. Some have commented that the
>> PS/2 interface is too expensive. A USB solution from me would be
>> higher due to the host device.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>
>> From:"lciotti at lrlc.us lciotti at lrlc.us" <lciotti at lrlc.us>
>> Date:Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 3:22 PM
>> Subject:Re: [Coco] MC-11 Status Update
>>
>> USB would be nice, but that would require having something to act as
>> the USB
>> host (this is my understanding of how USB works, someone more
>> knowledgable thatn
>> me might know better.)
>>
>>> On July 28, 2015 at 4:19 PM Mark Marlette
>>> <mmarlette at frontiernet.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> didier
>>>
>>>
>>> So what you are saying is that the raw keycodes coming from the
>>> keyboards
>>> that don't work are different than from the spec?
>>>
>>>
>>> USB and PS/2 have different values for the lookups.
>>>
>>>
>>> My raw values were always correct. Hmmmm.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>
>>> From:"didier derny" <didier at aida.org>
>>> Date:Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 2:23 PM
>>> Subject:Re: [Coco] MC-11 Status Update
>>>
>>> Hi Mark
>>>
>>> the problem is quite simple, most of the interface for old
>>> machines only
>>> works with qwerty keyboard
>>> if you buy one from amazon.fr you will find a ps/2 azerty
>>> keyboard the
>>> signs on the key does not match the result
>>> if you look for a ps/2 qwerty you find some but most of the time
>>> mini
>>> keyboard so small that it's hell to use
>>> and most of the time badly mapped
>>>
>>> if you buy a normal size keyboard most of the time it's a usb
>>> keyboard
>>> with an adaptator
>>> the adaptator + keyboard is just not working
>>>
>>> if you try to buy from amazon.com you will find a nice keyboard +
>>> extra
>>> taxes + transport
>>> the keyboards becomes really expensive and you have a high chance
>>> to get
>>> a usb keyboard
>>> with a non working adapter... (so I don't take the risk)
>>>
>>> that's why I'm building my own keyboard interface. I searched for
>>> more
>>> than a year for a solution
>>> I found one, I'll be able to use an azerty keyboard completely
>>> localized
>>> on my old machines
>>>
>>> I'm tired of struggling with these ps/2 keyboard and I would have
>>> preferred to see a usb
>>> connector on Darren's board.
>>>
>>> --
>>> didier
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28/07/2015 15:34, Mark Marlette wrote:
>>> > What specifically was the issue? Not working in ps/2 mode?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Are these dual mode keyboards? USB with maybe ps/2 support?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > My experience has been zero issues with ps/2 keyboards. Yes
>>> there are
>>> > bad keyboards but never bought a new bad one.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I agree with Aaron on usb and ps/2.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Getting keys either usb or ps/2 to the coco is easy. Getting
>>> them to
>>> > output any key press is a bit harder.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In the Cloud-9 PS/2 interface both RSDOS and NitrOS-9 tables
>>> are fully
>>> > supported with many macro and pre canned tables as well.
>>> Programmable
>>> > macros of the 12 function keys 50 keys each max. Both
>>> keyboards can be
>>> > used simultaneously if one prefers.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > Mark
>>> >
>>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> >
>>> > From:"Didier Derny" <didier at aida.org>
>>> > Date:Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:00 AM
>>> > Subject:Re: [Coco] MC-11 Status Update
>>> >
>>> > Frankly after having bought around 10 keyboards most of them
>>> not working
>>> > in ps/2 mode
>>> > I took the simplest resolution to never use a ps/2 keyboard
>>> again
>>> >
>>> > my apple IIe is using a usb keyboard
>>> > my c64/vic20 have already been connected to a usb keyboard
>>> (even with a
>>> > national keyboard)
>>> > for my coco2/coco3 it's on its way...
>>> >
>>> > I won't buy 10 keyboard again to find a working one (or pay a
>>> high price
>>> > for the transport)
>>> > the one I found several years ago [not sold anymore] (it was
>>> the
>>> > parallax keyboard for the propeller)
>>> >
>>> > I love national keyboards :) and my fingers are not fitted for
>>> qwerty
>>> > keyboards :)
>>> >
>>> > the usb only allow what was programmed in the chip used for usb
>>> > if you only have HID devices software you won't connect a mass
>>> storage
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 28/07/2015 13:34, Aaron Wolfe wrote:
>>> >> Contact a business equipment/computing supplier. In the US
>>> examples are
>>> >> staples, office depot, office max, Ingram micro, CDW, etc.
>>> You
>>> >> probably
>>> >> won't see PS/2 devices in a retail store because its become
>>> uncommon
>>> >> for
>>> >> home use, but they all sell them. PS/2 devices are still used
>>> by many
>>> >> companies for security purposes on desktops and especially on
>>> servers.
>>> >> A
>>> >> USB port allows many dangerous devices such as portable mass
>>> storage,
>>> >> while
>>> >> ps/2 connectors are pretty safe, so it is not uncommon to have
>>> usb
>>> >> disabled
>>> >> on company owned computers. Amazon also carries quite a few,
>>> if they
>>> >> deliver to your area. Not expensive.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:33 AM Didier Derny <didier at aida.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> In my country, if it is still possible to find good ps/2
>>> mouse, qwerty
>>> >>> ps/2 keyboards are not common we have to buy them overseas
>>> >>> most of the keyboard are just usb with a non working usb to
>>> ps/2
>>> >>> adapter
>>> >>> and azerty keyboard are not properly decoded
>>> >>>
>>> >>> After having tried to find for my old machine some usb
>>> interface I'm
>>> >>> finally building mine
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I would love to buy Darren's Board it looks quite nice but
>>> with ps/2
>>> >>> I'm
>>> >>> not so sure to buy one
>>> >>> I love his cocoSDC and I guess his new board is also very
>>> good.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> didier
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 28/07/2015 04:01, Zippster wrote:
>>> >>>> Well, make that over 600. I guess a lot of those were
>>> adapters and
>>> >>> similar.
>>> >>>> - Ed
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Zippster
>>> <zippster278 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Yeah, I think most older USB keyboards will support the
>>> adapters.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> But as Al was indicating, PS2 keyboards are commonplace. A
>>> quick
>>> >>>>> ebay
>>> >>> query turns up
>>> >>>>> over 6,000 listings with a wide variety of prices (starting
>>> at
>>> >>>>> almost
>>> >>> nothing) and styles.
>>> >>>>> - Ed
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Steve Batson via Coco <
>>> >>> coco at maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> I have some old keyboards around that may work then...I
>>> guess I'll
>>> >>> wait and see what the end state of this thing is. I would be
>>> fun to
>>> >>> use to
>>> >>> build up a system.
>>> >>>>>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Al Hartman
>>> <alhartman6 at optonline.net>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> A PS/2 to USB adapter only converts the pin assignments.
>>> The
>>> >>>>>>> keyboard
>>> >>> has to have the circuitry within it to detect that you have
>>> attached
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> adapter and switch to PS/2 mode.
>>> >>>>>>> That's why these adapters don't work with every keyboard.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> There are active adapters that have circuitry, they will
>>> cost a
>>> >>>>>>> bit
>>> >>> more money. But, you can still find PS/2 keyboards if you
>>> look on
>>> >>> Amazon,
>>> >>> eBay, and elsewhere.
>>> >>>>>>> -[ Al ]-
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 5:27
>>> PM, Steve
>>> >>> Batson via Coco wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> Cool so I suspect that it would work fine with a PS2 to
>>> USB
>>> >>>>>>>> adapter.
>>> >>>>>>>> This sounds like a great homebrew computer that you
>>> could build
>>> >>>>>>>> up
>>> >>> for all
>>> >>>>>>>> kinds of control projects and things like that
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>> lciotti at lrlc.us lciotti at lrlc.us <mailto:lciotti at lrlc.us>
>> Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:22 PM
>> USB would be nice, but that would require having something to act as
>> the USB
>> host (this is my understanding of how USB works, someone more
>> knowledgable thatn
>> me might know better.)
>>
>>
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