[Coco] i am a member

[Bill Nobel]

Very well said Tony,  I definitely agree with you.  Stephan seems to start a lot of this crap because it does’t suit his needs, or doesn’t appear the way HE wants it.  I say too bad, get over it.  I will say again I have never had a problem with any post in this list from any provider or user, you just need to read the details in the message and it comes to light.

Bill Nobel

> On Jul 2, 2015, at 10:58 PM, tonym <tonym at compusource.net> wrote:
> 
> ...Never a dull moment around here, is there?
> 
> Just a quick question: Do most of you know that the CoCo community here happens to be the laughing stock of all the other vintage computer groups?
> I was reading some stuff on the CoCO SDC I think on Atari Age, and the most glaring comments were about that.
> 
> We have the privilege of probably having one of the most actively supported oprhaned 80s platforms, especially with all the hardware gadgets these guys put together,
> and 4 weeks cannot be strung together without some bickering and in-fighting of some sort.
> 
> I've been on here since the 90s, beginning on the Princeton list...
> I've known Barry Nelson (Doc) probably about that long as well... Got a CoCo3 setup with MPI and B&B XT-RTC from him...
> I actually picked up my copy of MikeyTerm from Mike while he was a Miami-Dade, and mt ADOS from Art in person while he lived down here a long time ago.
> 
> One thing has been a constant all these years: The bickering, in-fighting, insults, and arguments.
> 
> When is enough enough?
> When is all this trivial SHIT going to end?
> 
> There's a whole freaking lot of people that simply need to ACT their damn age, and grow the F up already.
> 
> If you cannot behave and act decently around others, do everyone a favor, and keep to yourself.
> The constant arguments serve no purpose, and accomplish nothing, and actually chase away members.
> 
> Now... Back to our regularly scheduled mailing list...
> 
> 
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: "William Astle" <lost at l-w.ca>
> Sent: 7/2/2015 8:23:45 PM
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] i am a member
> 
> Okay, people. It's great that people are sticking up for Josh but let's 
> see if we can let the argument die down, shall we?
> 
> That said, I'm going to contribute to the noise with some facts.
> 
> First: Josh is *NOT* the one doing this. Nobody is hacking the list. It 
> isn't somehow magically open. Josh is not setting his from address to 
> 'Josh Harper via Coco <coco at maltedmedia.com>'. It is being done by the 
> mailing list software in self defense.
> 
> Second: this is happening due to something called DMARC and the specific 
> manner in which Yahoo and some other operators have chosen to implement 
> it. See the link below for more information or consult your favourite 
> search engine for "DMARC" and "mailing list".
> 
> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html
> 
> The gist is that with the specific DMARC configuration Yahoo publishes, 
> it is impossible to reliably deliver email from Yahoo email addresses to 
> subscribers on mailing lists without changing the From address to be 
> something other than a Yahoo address. Hence rewriting the From address 
> to be the list address - the only address the list software knows it 
> controls legitimately.
> 
> The only other option is to ban all subscribers from users of email 
> services such as Yahoo that publish such DMARC policies. That would be a 
> lot more problematic in the long run since it would remove a large 
> percentage of subscribers from most mailing lists.
> 
> For the record, what the Coco list does is about the least bad option 
> and it is employed by many other list operators.
> 
> 
> On 2015-07-02 16:35, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
>> From: Josh Harper via Coco<coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> 
>> Is what he posts with.
>> 
>> Not at all like his real e-mail address he has subscribed to the list with.
>> 
>> Mine is:
>> 
>> From: "Stephen H. Fischer"<SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
> 
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