[Coco] i am a member

[tonym]

...Never a dull moment around here, is there?

Just a quick question: Do most of you know that the CoCo community here happens to be the laughing stock of all the other vintage computer groups?
I was reading some stuff on the CoCO SDC I think on Atari Age, and the most glaring comments were about that.

We have the privilege of probably having one of the most actively supported oprhaned 80s platforms, especially with all the hardware gadgets these guys put together,
and 4 weeks cannot be strung together without some bickering and in-fighting of some sort.

I've been on here since the 90s, beginning on the Princeton list...
I've known Barry Nelson (Doc) probably about that long as well... Got a CoCo3 setup with MPI and B&B XT-RTC from him...
I actually picked up my copy of MikeyTerm from Mike while he was a Miami-Dade, and mt ADOS from Art in person while he lived down here a long time ago.

One thing has been a constant all these years: The bickering, in-fighting, insults, and arguments.

When is enough enough?
When is all this trivial SHIT going to end?

There's a whole freaking lot of people that simply need to ACT their damn age, and grow the F up already.

If you cannot behave and act decently around others, do everyone a favor, and keep to yourself.
The constant arguments serve no purpose, and accomplish nothing, and actually chase away members.

Now... Back to our regularly scheduled mailing list...



Tony


---- Original Message ----
From: "William Astle" <lost at l-w.ca>
Sent: 7/2/2015 8:23:45 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Subject: Re: [Coco] i am a member

Okay, people. It's great that people are sticking up for Josh but let's 
see if we can let the argument die down, shall we?

That said, I'm going to contribute to the noise with some facts.

First: Josh is *NOT* the one doing this. Nobody is hacking the list. It 
isn't somehow magically open. Josh is not setting his from address to 
'Josh Harper via Coco <coco at maltedmedia.com>'. It is being done by the 
mailing list software in self defense.

Second: this is happening due to something called DMARC and the specific 
manner in which Yahoo and some other operators have chosen to implement 
it. See the link below for more information or consult your favourite 
search engine for "DMARC" and "mailing list".

https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html

The gist is that with the specific DMARC configuration Yahoo publishes, 
it is impossible to reliably deliver email from Yahoo email addresses to 
subscribers on mailing lists without changing the From address to be 
something other than a Yahoo address. Hence rewriting the From address 
to be the list address - the only address the list software knows it 
controls legitimately.

The only other option is to ban all subscribers from users of email 
services such as Yahoo that publish such DMARC policies. That would be a 
lot more problematic in the long run since it would remove a large 
percentage of subscribers from most mailing lists.

For the record, what the Coco list does is about the least bad option 
and it is employed by many other list operators.


On 2015-07-02 16:35, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
> From: Josh Harper via Coco<coco at maltedmedia.com>
>
> Is what he posts with.
>
> Not at all like his real e-mail address he has subscribed to the list with.
>
> Mine is:
>
> From: "Stephen H. Fischer"<SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>


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