[Coco] KIDS REACT TO OLD COMPUTERS

Thu May 29 21:35:30 EDT 2014

I believe NeXTstep (or however you want to capitalize it) had an x86
release back in '93, so Apple would've had a significant foundation on
which to build x86 OS X. I believe there's a story going around that a
single developer began the porting work back in 2000:

http://www.quora.com/Apple-company/How-does-Apple-keep-secrets-so-well

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Christopher Fox

On 20140529, 21:19, "tonym" <tonym at compusource.net> wrote:

>This one's getting good...
>
>Calling *nix commands in OS X as "Linux commands," is like calling tires
>firestones...
>
>OS X, at least originally I thought, was Mach kernel-based, using the BSD
>Net/2 stuff, possibly (probably? ) later.
>Don't know if it was FreeBSD, as that was x86-only, and Apple wasn't even
>near an x86 platform yet. The Mach 3.0 kernel came from
>CMU, the BSD maybe from some of the Utah flux stuff and/or the Net/2.
>However, most sites note that the Mac OS X kernel is NOT a true Mach 3.0
>microkernel.
>
>I watched this whole Mach/BSD flux thing, because I was into it back
>then, with the experimental kernels, and I still have alot of the old
>cs.utah.edu BSD Lites,
>and the Mach kernels stuff on CD somewhere archived.
>
>Tony
>tonym at compusource.net
>
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: "Christopher Barnett Fox" <cbfox01 at syr.edu>
>Sent: 5/29/2014 9:03:43 PM
>To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>Subject: Re: [Coco] KIDS REACT TO OLD COMPUTERS
>
>Bill,
>
>Calling those "linux commands" is fightin' words in some circles. :-) Many
>of the command line tools that ship with OS X have significant history
>that predates Linux. Aqua is one small part of OS X, and is really just
>the name of the GUI "theme".
>
>OS X no longer ships with an X server, although Apple makes it relatively
>easy to download and install. Again, X11 has history that predates Linux
>by some years. X dates from '84, I believe, and the initial release of
>Linux was '91.
>
>-- 
>Christopher Fox
>
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>On 20140529, 20:57, "Bill Nobel" <b_nobel at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Try again look at this link
>>
>>http://www.opensource.apple.com
>>
>>As of 10.0 the converted to linux for the WHOLE os.
>>
>>Aqua is the framework apple uses much like .Net
>>
>>Explain then why X11 is present in OSX, and ALL linux commands are there.
>> When Apple move away from the Power PC they converted to linux. They
>>used BSD¹s Darwin as the start.  Being ACMT you should know this I have
>>taken any compiled linux code from darwin/intel and use it on my Mac no
>>conversion necessary. I also am ACMT.  I do drop to terminal lots and use
>>all linux commands to get around.
>>
>>Bill Nobel
>>
>>On May 29, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Al Hartman <alhartman6 at optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Darwin is not the Kernel, that's the name of the Open source project
>>>that parallels OS X. OS X itself IS NOT open source. It is mostly
>>>proprietary, other than the parts it has in common with Darwin. There
>>>was talk about using Darwin to make an Open Source clone of OS X, but as
>>>you can see, it never materialized. Replicating Quartz would be a
>>>non-trivial task.
>>> 
>>> OS X does NOT use X Windows, it has it's own display system called
>>>Aqua/Quartz. You can run a version of X-Windows on OS X, but most people
>>>don't. It's not needed. Open Office for example, used to require
>>>X-Windows be installed in it's early versions. but then, they ported the
>>>UI to Aqua/Quartz
>>> 
>>> I've followed MacOS X development closely, having taken training to
>>>deploy and support MacOS X Servers and clients, and have been working
>>>with it since the very first release. Before my disability, I was an
>>>Apple Authorized Service Technician (since 1998), and had the MacOS X
>>>Server Support Desk certification. I deployed and supported OS X Servers
>>>in the Philadelphia school system in 2004 and 2005.
>>> 
>>> As a start try reading this:
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X
>>> 
>>> It will disabuse you of all that stuff you forgot to mention, that
>>>would be better off forgotten.
>>> 
>>> -[ Al ]-
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Nobel
>>> 
>>> True but the kernel is Darwin now. Early versions were NeXTStep, but
>>>today uses Darwin dirivitive. Check the open source repo on Apples
>>>developer site. Oh did I forget to mention OSX is open source, uses X
>>>windows etc...
>>> 
>>> Bill Nobel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2014, at 5:28 PM, "Al Hartman" <alhartman6 at optonline.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Um, no...
>>>> 
>>>> It's actually a direct descendant of NeXTStep/Openstep.
>>>> 
>>>> -[ Al ]-
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Nobel
>>>> Little do you know,  OSX is Linux.....
>>>> 
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