[Coco] Looking for "C" utils
Bill Pierce
ooogalapasooo at aol.com
Wed Mar 7 07:53:48 EST 2012
Stephen, when I recieved the system, I couldn't get the HDs up. After later inspection, it seems that through the years a screw had worked loose and was rattling around. Apparently in shipping the screw was sent flying around. When I opened the case, the screw had lodged on the power supply board and shorted it. I have a temp PS from a very old IBM server going but it 's older than the drives and seems flakey. It measures ok with a meter but I think it fluctuates as it heats up. I can usually read H0 for about 30 mins then I loose it due to loss of speed. H1 will not spin up fast enough to pass the speed test at all. These are Seagate ST-225s on a Burke & Burke interface. My floppie drives all seem to suffer some problems... all so similar that makes me wonder if there's a Coco problem. The only drive I have stable at the moment is a 3.5" 80trk. I'm trying to get as much of the stuff from the HDs as I can before I can no longer read them. And yes, all the old disks seem to have at least some bit rot if not comepletely lost already. This system has a Disto 2meg board(s) and I'm beginning to wonder if there's a bad memory chip as well.
Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
Bill Pierce
ooogalapasooo at aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 7, 2012 3:00 am
Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils
Hi,
What shape is the hard drive in?
Have you backed up all the important files? I turned my CoCo's off for two
easons, because the hardware was so flaky and I destroyed my neighbors TV
eception.
The original Tandy floppies are pretty much unreadable now, bit rot may be
itting hard drives also!
ASAP get to a position that you can save everything on CD or DVD!
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The DSAVE command can be used to generate a text file that can be searched
uickly. HDirect is what I would use as it's format is easier to read.
nyway get a text file listing of all files!
I just do not understand that if you have his system that all the needed
iles are not on it.
> The author of the sources was very active on Cis and Delphi
We have some of the Cis files and I have some of the Delphi files.
And I have a fairly complete listing of the files on Delphi, but those CD /
VDs are not at hand.
The makefile sure suggests to me "rcr" is a modified "CC", and another
akefile exists. Changing the name to "rcr" does not make sense and I do not
hink it was done.
> Also before compiling, you'll need to make nostring.c <done> in the Tools
dir, put the exec in your CMDS dir. You'll also need CNoY and Rcr -- both
are "up there somewhere" on RTSI
Making "nostring.c" have a later date makes sense.
Putting the exec in the CMDS dir makes sense so that MAKE will detect it is
lder than "nostring.c"
I hope Gene checks in, his memory of what was done with "CC" is better than
ine.
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If you wish to continue trying to compile the program, just do it with a
tandard makefile and see what errors are generated. As I said, "CNoY" is
ptional, "rcr" may just be a modified "CC" so that "CNoY' can be called at
he right time.
If you get clean compiles up to the point that ".r" files have been created,
hen you are well on your way. Then the linker will start complaining about
issing libs if there are any.
Perhaps try one ".c" at a time.
CC -r -o source.c
SHF
----- Original Message -----
rom: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
o: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
ent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:07 PM
ubject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils
Thanks Stephen, you seem to be leading me on the right track. When I run
"make" on the source, I get:
--------
make: "$(RCRFLAGS) -d$(RDIR) $*
" - unknown macro
ERROR #001
--------
The thing that leads me to look for a file called "rcr" is in the readme
for the sources:
--------
Also before compiling, you'll need to make nostring.c <done> in the Tools
dir, put the exec in your CMDS dir. You'll also need CNoY and Rcr -- both
are "up there somewhere" on RTSI
--------
Neither of which can be found on RTSI
The author of the sources was very active on Cis and Delphi, so I would
think he got the utilities from one of the 2.
He states in his sources (fairly well commented) on a lot of the patched
"C" tools he used. I've started looking through the disks from the
archives that were saved from both services to see if they are possibly on
some random disk. I'm also checking all the user group disks. No luck yet
but finding some really cool stuff though :-)
Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
Bill Pierce
ooogalapasooo at aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils
Hi,
Don't be bothered if you do not understand what I am saying, I skip many
hings that you may not know or understand. And say much that you already
now, I am sort of doing a memory dump from 25 years ago.
Even Gene is buffaloed by MAKE.
I can understand it because I used an earlier version a lot > 25 years
ago.
"rcr" is a program for sure. But may just be a MAKE macro, I need to see
make.default".
My make is very rusty but look in /DD/SYS for a file.
> The filename for "/dd/sys/make.default" is defined in h.h.
Also he may have changed Make and recompiled it.
Rereading the MAKE "README" and what is in the "/DD/HELP" MAKE files needs
o be understood.
Make is very powerful and hard to understand till you get the hang of it.
specially Tim Koonce's "make".
The result of what "rcr" does is a ".r" file (".c" input)
> .c.r:;rcr $(RCRFLAGS) -d$(RDIR) $*
".c.r:;rcr -s -y -dRS" is the result, i.e. rcr should look in directory
"RS"
or ".c" files
o, look for a "RS directory.
The default for .c.r is:
* .c.r specifies how to compile .c files into .r files.
c:;$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(LFLAGS) $< -f=$(ODIR/)$@
That says to me that he is not using "CC" and is using his own version.
"CC252" is the latest and best "CC" and you should target using it.
So you need to understand both "Make" and "CC252" to make sense of what he
s doing if you cannot find "/dd/sys/make.default". "rcr" is a sequencer
ike "CC" I suspect.
And the rest of the "C" compiler chain.
"http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=113"
May be useful, but I have not completed it, and may not.
The "Microware C Compiler User's Guide Appendix B is required reading,
Compiler Phase Command Lines" is where we started, some program names have
een changed and there are added programs (Controlled by CC)
You need to merge what is in "/dd/sys/make.default" with the makefile you
ave listed to understand the entire process.
?
I was working on collecting of the latest "C" Compiler parts so I have all
he relevant files on my laptop.
I have been switching looking at your e-mail, the Make documentation and
iles including the source and CC252 documentation to understand his MAKE
ile.
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Customizing Make:
- The major way you can customize make is to edit /dd/sys/make.default
to change the default rules to fit your own particular setup.
I am especially interested in knowing good default rules for use with
other languages (i.e. Pascal, ASM, RMA, etc.)
- If you want to re-compile, there are a couple of easy customizations
you can make to the source:
- The filename for "/dd/sys/make.default" is defined in h.h.
You can change it to your preference.
- By undefining DEFN0, make will use compiled-in rules, defined
in rules.c. This will help make start up faster.
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SHF
---- Original Message -----
rom: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
o: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
ent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:23 PM
ubject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils
Okay... I searched through all the source code in the project (107 files)
and found no references to "cnoy". There was however, references to Rcr in
the makefiles as follows:
--------
* Converted (much shorter) to Tim Koonce's Make 90/3/17
* Stackchecking turned off for production 89/10/15
* General rules. .c.r specifies how to compile .c files into .r files.
.c.r:;rcr $(RCRFLAGS) -d$(RDIR) $*
.a.r:;$(RMA) $(RFLAGS) $< -o=$(RDIR/)$@
EDIT=4
ODIR= # was /h0/cmds for Tandy Make bug
RDIR = RS
RCRFLAGS = -s -y
--------
This is using Tim Koonce's "make". I don't know if the "Rcr" is accociated
with the "make" or just added.
I checked the archive for TK's "make" and there they are not included
there. I did download the "cnoy" from Gene's site. Once I get a Coco to PC
serial made, both of these files are on my drives. I'm just trying to
compile these files in VCC to see if I have all the right tools loaded, as
compiling on VCC would be about 400% faster than a Coco and woking on a
full screen editor (RainbowIDE) makes my tired eyes a little happier..
Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
Bill Pierce
ooogalapasooo at aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils
Hi,
Perhaps where you found the reference to "Rcr" would help.
The same for "CNoY" which I recognized, but it still may not be the
correct
ne.
The one on Gene's page is for removing unnecessary instructions generated
by
he OS-9 6809 "C" compiler AFAIK.
> At this point, I would add CnoY, from Genes site. This is for coco3
> level
2 & later only machines, and optimizes the ,y references out of the asm
code generated, giving a slight speedup since the y reference is a machine
cycle slower than an x, u, or s reference.
You really must want the very fastest "C" code which Gene needed!
I searched for "Rcr" in this list going back to April 10, 2008 and it has
ot been discussed.
SHF
---- Original Message -----
rom: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
o: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
ent: Monday, March 05, 2012 4:30 PM
ubject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils
Thanx Stephen, I have no idea what the Rcr is either
Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
Bill Pierce
ooogalapasooo at aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils
Hi,
"Rcr" I have no idea.
"CNoY" is on Gene's web page:
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heers, Gene
-
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt (Author)
y web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene>
ailure is more frequently from want of energy than want of capital.
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Below the picture you will see:
"I have copied some possibly useful things from the coco's hard drive to
ere."
The word "here" when clicked on will get you to the directory.
"Rcr" perhaps is a routine to remove Carriage Returns, but why would you
ant to do that?
SHF
---- Original Message -----
rom: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
o: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
ent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:00 PM
ubject: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils
Hi guys,
I'm looking for the "C" utils "CNoY" and "Rcr"
I've run across references to them in some C source code I've been
modifying
I've looked through all the archives (RTSI, Repository & MaltedMedia) and
if they
are there, they're on a random disk image somewhere.
Anyone know where.. or what to look for to find these files?
Thanx
Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
Bill Pierce
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