[Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC

[Wayne Campbell]

Below is a description of the steps I took setting things in MESS 136b. 
There is a PNG image of the default settings as they occur in MESS when I 
started it. Note that I have changed nothing in those dialogs.

start--
launches in composite video mode
opens CoCo emulation in full-screen
ALT-TAB minimizes emulation
WINDOW key now minimizes emulation (didn't in 132, used FUNCTION-numLock)
FUNCTION-numLock-TAB opens internal MESS menus
in Driver Configuration, selected Hi-Res Joystick none, using right-arrow 
set it to using right-port
in Video Options, selected RGB
in Keyboard Mode, selected natural (no more coco-keyboard layout)
FUNCTION-numLock-ESCAPE to quit emulation
end--

This is my "default" configuration for the emulation of the CoCo3. You can 
see the image of MESS' default options here: 
http://3dcrystal.ff12maps.com/Images/mess_def_settings.PNG.

Wayne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Devries" <devries.bob at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC


> All I get is the actual coco screen. No menu bar, no pull-downs. I get the 
> usual blue (on my laptop) window surround from Windows. This means I can't 
> select devices etc. while running the emulation.
>
> Regards, Bob Devries
>
> --
> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's 
> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>
> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wayne Campbell" <asa.rand at gmail.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>
>
>>I don't know what is happening there, Bob. I installed 136. I'm not sure 
>>which menus you are describing. The menubar and toolbar are both displayed 
>>in the emulator window. The menu lists while running the emulator are 
>>there. Checking Use newui doesn't seem to do anything on my laptop.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bob Devries" <devries.bob at gmail.com>
>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>
>>
>>> And... even with "use new UI" ticked, still no menus. :(
>>>
>>> --
>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of 
>>> one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>
>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Aaron Wolfe" <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>
>>>
>>> wait.. did you want the menus?  check the box if so.  the menus are
>>> the "New GUI".
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Use New GUI" is NOT ticked. :(
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of 
>>>> one's
>>>> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>
>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Look in Miscellaneous, "Use New UI". The new UI is what provides the
>>>> menus, probably not checked.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Aaron,
>>>>>
>>>>> When I start a MESS emulation (Coco3 NTSC), it starts up the Coco in
>>>>> window.
>>>>> I lose the mouse pointer, but ALT-TAB does bring that back, albeit 
>>>>> leaving
>>>>> an @ character on the coco screen :)
>>>>>
>>>>> In Default Game Properties, Controllers Tab, the option 'Enable mouse
>>>>> input'
>>>>> is unticked.
>>>>> In 'controller mapping' the mouse device points to the Mouse.
>>>>>
>>>>> As per Robert Gault's suggestion, Sleep when possible and 
>>>>> Multi-threaded
>>>>> rendering are ticked.
>>>>>
>>>>> I get no menu bar in version 0.136B, but I do in Version 0.110. Is 
>>>>> that
>>>>> correct? Did they remove the menus in this version?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Bob Devries
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of 
>>>>> one's
>>>>> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" <aawolfe at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:49 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides not being able to use mouse or exit, does the emulator run,
>>>>>> i.e. do you see a Coco?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This sort of happens in a default configuration I think..Try ALT-Tab
>>>>>> to switch away. The mouse problem can normally be solved by telling
>>>>>> MESS not to use the mouse: if you're using MESSUI then go into
>>>>>> properties for the system and under Controllers, uncheck "Enable 
>>>>>> mouse
>>>>>> input". Also check that mouse is not selected for any of the inputs
>>>>>> on the Controller Mapping page (other than Mouse device).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Video problems can be worked out usually on the Display page. "Run in
>>>>>> a window" and unchecking "Start out maximized" might make a
>>>>>> difference. The various Videomode settings also might give better
>>>>>> results (or worse).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the best things about MESS is the huge number of options
>>>>>> available, but this can also be a problem when you aren't familiar
>>>>>> with what they do. I'd bet you can solve some or all of the issues
>>>>>> you have by tweaking things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck, let us know how it goes and maybe we can figure out any
>>>>>> remaining issues.
>>>>>> -Aaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, it was me who can't run MESS on his laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I checked the settings you mentioned, Robert, but there's no 
>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I start the emulation, I lose my mouse pointer altogether, and 
>>>>>>> MESS
>>>>>>> does not respond to *any* Function-keys at all. The only way to quit 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> emulations is the three finger slaute (CTRL-ALT-DEL).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This laptop is an Acer Aspire 5315. It has an Intel Celeron 550
>>>>>>> processor
>>>>>>> @
>>>>>>> 2GHz and 1GB memory, running WinXP SP2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
>>>>>>> one's
>>>>>>> native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gault"
>>>>>>> <robert.gault at worldnet.att.net>
>>>>>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:27 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Hires mouse emulation in VCC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wayne Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been using MESS on my laptop because I can't get VCC to run 
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> it. The biggest problem I see with MESS is lack of information on 
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> configure it for a given system, when you know nothing about what
>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>> to be set, or how.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It makes my laptop run warm, and there is visible hesitation in 
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> apps, no matter what they are. I have looked through the
>>>>>>>>> documentation,
>>>>>>>>> and if you are experienced enough in all of the areas concerned to
>>>>>>>>> understand it, you can configure it. Otherwise, you cannot. It 
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> nice if someone could come up with a configuration tutorial that
>>>>>>>>> walked
>>>>>>>>> the novice through the process.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you gone through the on screen Help available with MESS? There 
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> specific instructions that ought to help with your laptop. Look at 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> try:
>>>>>>>> sleep when possible, multi-thread rendering, thread priority.
>>>>>>>> These are all adjustable and should reduce the amount of CPU time
>>>>>>>> allocated to MESS.
>>>>>>>>
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