[Coco] FM-77AV video sync problems
gene.heskett at verizon.net
Wed Apr 12 01:40:24 EDT 2006
On Tuesday 11 April 2006 22:23, George's Coco Address wrote:
> Since you are(as far as I'm concerned) the guru on raster scan
> television, I have a question..
> I am confused about the power line frequency and how it relates to
Generally speaking, all the tv systems in use on a local basis where
local is the country, will have vertical rates that match quite
closely, the powerline frequency so that any residual hum will be very
close to stationary rather than rolling thru the video due to the speed
>All the TVs I've worked on convert the incoming AC power
> to DC,
> switch it to AC(almost), goes through a transformer at a high
> frequency(efficiency), and then converts it back to DC.
Today this is done for all the voltages in a tv, but in yesteryear, only
the CRT's anode voltage of several kilovolts was generated like that.
> All our cocos convert the incoming AC power to DC, albeit a lower
> voltage. If a matching computer and monitor are used on a power
> frequency(50 or 60HZ), how can they have problems with sync, when
> there is no reference to the AC power frequency coming in?
Basicly the tv standard emitted by the coco must match that which the
monitor is optimized for.
> I can understand power supply problems when operated at incorrect
>frequencies, such as a transformer that is supposed to work at 60HZ
> vs. 50HZ.
This isn't a huge problem in most cases. Yes, a 60hz rated tranny will
run a little warmer on 50hz, but not enough to endanger its health and
well being. Conversely the 50hz tranny running on 60hz might run a
couple of degrees cooler at the end of the day.
Where it gets to a right sticky wicket quickly is in the monitors
horizontal circuitry. In order to get decent efficiencies at vga and
up speeds or 31 kilohertz and above, the amount and formula for the
ferrites is optimized so that at the low end of 31khz, the full range
of the magnetic material is being used, and its rather close to being
saturated magneticly when the beam is at the right edge of the screen
and the current, which was switched on at about the middle of the
screen as the beam is swept (free wheeling diodes supply the currents
for the left half of the screen, a form of energy recovery if you will)
is at that point quite close to saturating the magnetics.
Now, imaging slowing this vga built monitors sweep frequency down to
ntsc speeds of just under 16 kilohertz. The current now has 2x the
time to build up in an inductively limited rate of rise fashion, so it
continues to rise into the region where the magnetic cores become
saturated, at which point they drop out of the formula, leaving only
the inductance of the coils as if they were wound on air to limit the
currents rate of rise. Under normal conditions there might be 2-4 amps
of current circulating in the circuit, with the psu making up maybe .5
amp for the circuits losses.
But when the cores effect on the inductance drops out, the current rise
can go up to an additional 5 amps per microsecond or more. Do this for
the final 20 microseconds of each sweep and the average currents have
risen to the failure point of the junctions in the transistor and it
fails to turn off due to way too much stored charge in the substrate
even after the drive has been removed. A transistor than can turn off
a 5 amp current in .3 microseconds now takes 5 microseconds to shut off
50 amps, during which time the junctions are being subjected to the
usual formulas for resistive power dissipation. This effect alone will
raise the heating in the transistors innards by several orders.
So the time until the transistor shorts totally is usually measured in
milliseconds, and of course that tends to take a lot of other stuff in
the monitors power supply chain with it, letting the smoke that makes
this all run out & it doesn't work anymore. Also scattering small
pieces of epoxy B around as the transistors usually will explode,
although all you'll hear is a bit of a pop.
Generally speaking, its often not practical to try and repair such a
blown up monitor, particularly if the core of the scan transformer was
actually driven above its curie point in the process of the failure.
Most ferrites have a relatively low curie point, where thats the point
in its temperature curve that its magnetic effects becomes
non-magnetic. Many modern ferrites have curie points well below the
boiling point of water! And if its subjected to a magnetic field when
that hot, it seems to freeze the properties forever in the non-magnetic
camp even after its cooled down. I've been bit by that effect several
times over the last 55 years.
And thats probably more than you ever wanted to know about the
And I hope that helps to explain why I'm 100% against trying to make a
monitor run at less than its rated hsync rate in its spec panel. Its
virtually guaranteed to let the smoke out & maybe break the mirror.
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