[Coco] OT -- PC needs TWO Shut Downs
KnudsenMJ at aol.com
KnudsenMJ at aol.com
Mon Apr 3 22:14:44 EDT 2006
In a message dated 4/1/06 3:41:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
robert.gault at worldnet.att.net writes:
>Supply a few more details! What EXACTLY happens during the first shutdown?
Nothing. Actually, I misspoke -- the screen goes halftone while the little
shutdown/restart/standby menu displays in center screen. As soon as I click
"shutdown", the menu disappears and the screen returns to normal -- as if
nothing had happened.
My second shutdown always works, tho sometimes the power-down and image
display don't (see below).
>Does the system hang during shutdown requiring the reset button?
Nope. There has *always* been an occasional failure to display the
farewell image (after the "ta-dah" sound) and kick off the power relay, but just
killing the UPS manually gets a clean shutdown. That is, I am not penalized
with a dcheck or any error messages on the next day's boot-up. It seems the
shutdown has completed OK internally, just doesn't kill the power.
And the image display is always a flaky proposition. Officially, Win98
should display one image during the "ta-dah" sound, then flash a second image
just before total shutdown. The first one has never displayed, at least not
since early on when I substituted one of my own photos (and yes, I got the size
right, and my 2nd photo does display correctly whenever the power shuts off
> Does it completely shutdown and then restart on its own?
Nope, that's a trick Linux plays on me sometimes, but not Windows :-)
>Does this behavior always happen or only after running certain programs?
I'd say that whatever apps I run don't make a difference. I *could* try
booting up and immediately shutting back down to see if it goes on the 1st try.
I could ALSO try hitting Ctrl-Alt-Delete to see what procs are running
before the 1st try, then check again after the 2nd, to see if anything got
> What motherboard, memory, video card, audio card, etc. are you using?
Creative SoundBlaster motherboard, 450 MHz Celeron, built-in SB Live sound
(very fine), and some Oriental video card with a big-name chipset (Invidia?)
with 64M of video RAM.
> If this is recent behavior, did you recently install a new program?
Pretty sure it was not correlated with any new app installations. Or with
the one time I visited MS's updates website, and got some improvements and
> Any recent system updates?
Nope -- see above.
>Have you checked BIOS settings or looked at Device Manager for any
Not recently. Might the Power Management have some effect? I've noticed
that often Windows "forgets" to blank my screen and hibernate, even though it's
set to do so.
> When's the last time you checked for a virus or spyware infestation?
At least once a week, nothing found. Norton AV, AdAware, Spybot -- all they
find are the usual browser cookies, low-level threats.
>I've not exhausted the list of things to check but at least answer the
OK, just did. One other thing -- I get a lot of "icon rot", where after
running an app, many files will show the wrong icon type. I know there's a HD
cache where Windows keeps these, and you can refresh them by deleting that
file, but I've never done that.
Sometimes I wonder if all these problems are symptom of flaky RAM, and bits
are getting flipped here and there.
Thanks, Mike K.
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