[Coco] Rainbow on Disc

Michael Wayne Harwood michael at musicheadproductions.org
Wed Jun 8 17:01:50 EDT 2005

That's a very good question - does Lonnie mean that the scanned product
needs to be identical to the orginal in terms of color - in other words do
we have to scan pages that are in color in color to meet Lonnie's
expectations?  Personally I would prefer to have the highest quality scan
possible.  This (in my opinion) would have color elements preserved as
well as be in a lossless format scanned in at a DPI that would have the
best opportunity for success with OCR for the future.  This was one of the
headaches I orginally had when considering the idea - the scans I got that
I was happy with and worked well with OCR was a lot of work and took up a
lot of space.

It's my opinion that we should scan in some samples and see where that
leads us.  It may be that my concerns with quality are unfounded.

Michael Harwood

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: [Coco] Rainbow on Disc
From:    "James C. Hrubik, Sr." <jimhrubik at earthlink.net>
Date:    Wed, June 8, 2005 2:29 pm
To:      michael at musicheadproductions.org
         "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>

All I can say, is ... WOW!  That's the most positive stuff we've (as a  
community) gotten from Lonnie, and it seems pretty fair to me.  I'll  
have to catalogue my collection -- i think I have most of them.  There  
are undoubtedly going to be the production costs, like disemboweling   the
mag, then the scanning in full color, and the time involved.

I have been playing with this for one of our church publications, doing  
the scans at 300dpi, and that produces a pretty nice .pdf copy, but  
still a large .pdf ( try http://spot.acorn.net/aacc/NL200503.pdf;  that  
was reduced in resolution to 150dpi prior to .pdf-ing, to save space on  
the server).  I just scanned the cover of the December 1989 Rainbow at  
300; the .tif was 22.5MB and the .pdf of the page (using Acrobat) at  
that resolution was 564KB.  The December 1989 issue had 132 pages, 65   of
which had _some_ color.  Since not all the pages of Rainbow have   color
photos, the majority can be scanned B&W.  However, the tricky   ones will
be those that have color "wallpaper" under the print, and   that will
require full-color scans of those pages to meet Lonnie's   terms.  If
anyone wants that December 1989 cover, let me know by   private email.

DVDs are really the only way to go, unless you do sets of CDs, say one  
per year.  (Some of the bigger issues may require two CDs per year,  
since 500K * 150 pgs * 12months = 900 megs -- that's a 24 CD set).  You  
might even have to do sets of DVDs, since some of the issues are over  
200 pages.  The later issues (newspaper format) will probably have too  
be scanned on a flatbed, sideways, with the halves stitched together in  
Photoshop or whatever you use.

I don't see much sense in OCR-ing the project, or even going above 300  
dpi for quality.  It's doubtful anyone would want to print these things  
out on a color printer, either now or later.

On Jun 8, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Michael Wayne Harwood wrote:

> Here is the latest communication thread regarding what I would like to
unofficially dub "Rainbow on Disc".  I think that Lonnie's terms are
extremely fair.  At $.25 per issue the entire Rainbow archive of 144
issues could be had for $36 plus shipping and media costs.  Are there  
> thoughts regarding the costs or what Lonnie has proposed?
> I think we should start a discussion regarding the actual work and the
practical details involved.  Boisy has some good questions regarding
standards and consistency.
> Regards,
> Michael Harwood
> ---------------------------- Original Message
> ----------------------------
> Subject: RE: Rainbow magazines
> From:    "Michael Wayne Harwood" <michael at musicheadproductions.org>   Date:
>   Wed, June 8, 2005 9:00 am
> To:      mayor at prospectky.com
> Cc:      dave at cococentral.org
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> Lonnie,
> Thank you very much for your quick responses and willingness to work   with
> us to make this happen!  What you have outlined sounds fair to me, and   I
> will forward this to the Coco mailing list to make them aware of your
proposal.  If you don't mind I would like to draft an initial letter  
> send it to you via email so that we can make sure that everything is in
order before I send it via snail mail.
> I am thinking of calling this project "Rainbow on Disc" and would like
your feedback regarding this choice of names as well as your thoughts
regarding the use of the Rainbow graphics, logos, etc for any printing,
websites, or other similar usage.
> Regards,
> Michael Harwood
> ---------------------------- Original Message
> ----------------------------
> Subject: RE: [Fwd: RE: Rainbow magazines]
> From:    "Lonnie Falk - Mayor" <mayor at prospectky.com>
> Date:    Wed, June 8, 2005 8:01 am
> To:      michael at musicheadproductions.org
> Cc:      dave at cococentral.org
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> Michael:
> I am not really interested in making money, but in protecting
> copyright. I
> would think 25 cents per issue of the magazine would be sufficient. I  
> got off the phone with my legal eagle, who says the amount has to be   more
> than a "token" and he feels 25 cents or more per issue would be  
> to accomplish that.
> We would also want:
> 1. One copy of each CD (or whatever) you produce. I assume you are not
planning on burning custom copies. That would certainly drive you  
> If you are planning on doing that, we'll have to re-think archival   copies
> on this end.
> 2. That if being offered as issues, the issue must be done completely,  
> and all. That is, an image of the issue.
> 3. That whatever "printing" appears on the disk label, packaging and
advertising, the phrase "Content copyright (c) by Rainbow Magazine and
Falsoft Inc., 1980-2005, all rights reserved. Offered under license to
(whatever or whoever). May not be reproduced in whole or in part."
> 4. An "accounting" of copies sold and appropriate funds to cover the
license on a quarterly basis, say January, April, July and October, in  
> form of a check so there would be a paper trail for me.
> You could send me a letter to 5803 Timber Ridge Dr., Prospect, KY 40059
outlining these conditions and signed. I would respond with a letter
approving. I'd suggest you draft up the letter and email it to be sure  
> don't get into sending letters back and forth if there is any
> discussion
> about language.
> As to quality, I think that would be up to you. My experience is if you
put out a crummy product, then you are not going to sell any. Or, at
least, not many.
> My only suggestion is that, as you may or may not be aware, HP has come
out with a new DVD-CD burning technology called LightScribe that  
> an image on the "label side" of a disk right in the drive. You just   flip
> the DVD or CD over. It is a little slow, is all in greyscale, but they  
> they will have a speedup out in the next month or two. I've gotten rid   of
> all my "Stompers" and the like in favor of it. The greyscale looks   rather
> elegant, I think.
> Lastly, I think it would be counterproductive to have both you and Dave
doing the same thing. You were first to suggest this, so you get first
chance to say yea or nay. Let me know what you think.
> Best
> Lonnie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Wayne Harwood [mailto:michael at musicheadproductions.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:21 AM
> To: mayor at prospectky.com
> Cc: dave at cococentral.org
> Subject: [Fwd: RE: Rainbow magazines]
> Lonnie,
> Thank you for your quick reply.  I would like to discuss the costs of
licensing electronic reproductions with you.   What exactly do you  
have in
> mind in regards to both the cost and other practical issues such as
quality control??
> Regards,
> Michael Harwood
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