[Coco] Re: [Color Computer] Is this a discussion about a new Coco?
Ron Delvaux
rondelvo at rochester.rr.com
Mon Apr 18 20:05:51 EDT 2005
Mark out does Boisy....Both well done
The smoke is clearing.........
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Marlette
To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: [Color Computer] Is this a discussion about a new Coco?
At 05:45 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote:
James DifferentDander, (Too many James D's here)
The chip is Connect One's solution, go educate yourself and tell them that their chip price is too high and that you can do it cheaper. They will laugh as I am. Go for it big talker.
I'm not going to go in to all of what you said. You don't know the facts and are WAY out there.
$65 for the Ethernet and $110, for the SuperIDE comment? $65 is just for the CHIP that is not the total solution. Our SuperIDE is more than just an IDE device. I know you will say WOW, flash too! Again you have done nothing but talk. You forgot the software costs for the board. I'm sure you can do that REALLY well too. I'm sure my software person is WAY over paid for his work.
All of your prices checks....Show me a ONE of your CoCo projects, you can't. You are in big talker land. I use to do this, I use to that. You can't do diddly. You have just shown me you know a great more of nothing.
You use to own an Amiga company.....So big, more sales in a week. Good for you, go away troll. Why are you here anyway? You sir are a laugh.
My software person is paying his college tuition with what he is making off the CoCo. I'm sure you will belittle that as well.
The whole point... Small volume sales = higher prices. You were sleeping that day to in business class. Wake up. I'm sure your big company is still going....Nope context was use to......ah, I see it now.
Please do us all a favor and go away. Please take your comments to my private Email. I'm sure the rest of the list is as tired of you as I am. I will redirect you to >/nil.
We are still producing many products and still growing......That means sales are up for each of the last three years. If our pricing was so far off why would this be?
Regards,
Mark
Cloud-9
BTW: I apologize to the list in advance for this. This is my last post to this troll.
--- In ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, Mark Marlette <mark at c...> wrote:
> At 10:36 AM 4/18/2005, you wrote:
> that includes all of the options, including the Ethernet. The
Ethernet chip
> alone costs well over $65 and that doesn't include the support
chips. Then
Oh please... $65? What chip are you using? There are pleanty of
controller chips for under $15 in single quantity... not my fault if
you chose an expensive one. Geeze... a Coldfire CPU with built in
ethernet, USB and PCI is less than $40 in small quantity! I could
build a board based on a coldfire and a couple PCI chips, a PLD and
emulate the $%#& thing cheaper and faster.
If you integrate everything onto a larger PLD you can do everything
that was posted with that list for under $100 cost. Cost is what I
was talking about. The reduced cost of the board + chips will make up
for the large PLD. Most of the parts on that list for the Superboard
are on the Open Cores site!
Cloud-9 is charging over $100 for an IDE board! IDE!!!! And we're not
talking about UDMA here either. All that requires is to adjust some
buss logic and decode the address! It requires around 4 TTL chips (if
you don't overdesign the thing) for under $10 at Radio Shack!
I did a price check on getting an IDE/USB board printed. It was under
$17 each in quantity 20 and that was the first quote with solder mask.
If I were to order 100, drop solder mask and shop around it's
probably under $10. The chips + connectors are under $20 in quantity 1.
> add in the cost of the PCB board, CPLDs which are in the $8-11 range
each
> which there are 4-6 of them on the board. As you can see without
evening
> spending a whole a lot of time on it that the price goes up very
fast. You
> must have been a sleep that day in Business Economics. Prove me
wrong and
> send me the product. You can't.
You must have been asleep in Business Economics. There isn't enough
of a CoCo market to waste building a business on. It's not like they
are making new CoCo's. Your trying to turn a hobby into a business...
which is ok but don't claim it's more than it is.
> It is easier for you to sit back and do
> nothing but critique other peoples work and say it is too expensive.
>
> I can tell by your previous posts that you have done VERY little with
> developing products.
I used to own a company that built hardware for the Amiga, some of
which I designed, I know what I'm talking about. We were selling more
hardware in a week that Cloud-9 has sold since it was started.
A.I.R. sold over $750,000 worth of product (1 product) in the first 6
months and it took us over half of that time just to build up
manufacturing ability and a dealer network. At the time I sold out we
were doing about $90,000 per month and had 4(?) products.
BTW, we were paying under $2/board on a circuit board about half the
size this IDE/USB board would be.
> You want to use discrete components rather than
> current technology. As that is you choice, I have DONE both and this
is a
You want to use PLDs so people can't copy your design. I want to
design something someone can download the design, print their own
circuit board and use off the shelf parts on. Totally different goal.
If I wanted to make my life easier I'd use the PLD and forget having
to worry about how to fit all the parts in such a small space.
For something like the Superboard I'd use a larger PLD instead of
multiple small PLDs since it will be smaller for about the same price.
> I have fifty-seven down payments for the SuperBoard with many follow on
> orders.
WOW! 57!!!! That's smaller than what A.I.R.'s first order was (200)
and the next week it was twice that. Within 2 months we had to hire
people to assemble our stuff.
> I'm not taking anymore down payments as the initial price to
> produce has been met. Maybe you have more business sense than I do
or just
> have more money to throw around? Can you put out over $5700 to
produce this
> ONE board? Remember we produce more than this one board. I'll do the
math
> for you.... 57 * $100(your price) = $5700. I used $100, even though
it is
> more expensive than that. You would go broke because you will loose
money
> on every board sold. This is a hobby business for me, love and
passion of
I was talking cost. Distributor markup should be at least 50%, dealer
markup should be at least 75% and direct sales should be 100%.
> the machine. I can't afford to make those types of errors and be around
> here very long.
And is this business you've been running as a hobby paying your bills?
Do you have another job?
> We have been around and will continue to be around because
> of the thought and planning that goes in to each and every product
we produce.
Marketing BS. If you had to live off of Cloud-9 you'd starve and if
you died would the company be around to take care of your customers
tomorrow?
> With the given facts, you are WAY off base on your price and statement.
According to you... a guy that will spend $65 on an ethernet
controller and who sells an IDE board for $100.
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