[Coco] Supercomm fails to load on NitrOS9 lvl 2 on my CoCo 3 with 128K, and a couple of other questions?

Sun Nov 1 17:17:44 EST 2015

On Sunday 01 November 2015 09:26:25 Bill Pierce via Coco wrote:

> Gene, I didn't say the L3 shouldn't be in the repo... just that the
> non-working compiled disk images should not be in the public
> downloads. That is for WORKING stuff, not broken stuff. Personally,
> I'd love to see the L3 work and have worked on it myself (as you
> know), but to put non-working stuff in the public downloads is
> confusing to the user and they think it's supposed to work.
>
Can we put a link in that L3 tree, that sends whomever clicks on it to 
a "here's your sign" maker. ;-)

ATM, Bill, what you are doing codewise seems impressive, and I wouldn't 
be surprised if you couldn't take it apart, add the missing stuff, and 
actually make it work.  The concept reads like it should work, but the 
L3 code we have is rather far from complete in terms of implementing 
that concept.
>
>
> Bill Pierce
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> to slow down!" - Ian Anderson - Jethro Tull
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Heskett <gheskett at wdtv.com>
> To: coco <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2015 9:18 am
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Supercomm fails to load on NitrOS9 lvl 2 on my
> CoCo 3 with 128K, and a couple of other questions?
>
> On Sunday 01 November 2015 08:56:34 Bill Pierce via Coco wrote:
> > Ryan, I'm not
>
> sure about running Supercomm in 128k, but you could trim
>
> > your os9boot down a
>
> bit and see if that helps. Bottom line... 512k
>
> > rocks! You can get a 512k
>
> upgrade from Cloud9 cheap :-) Edit: I just
>
> > tried Supercomm in 128k on VCC with
>
> a pretty large OS9Boot and it ran
>
> > fine. You will just not be able to have any
>
> other windows open at the
>
> > time. To open Supercomm to use DW4's modem emulation
>
> (DriveWire4
>
> > required) you just: supercomm /n<ENTER>.
> > If your DW4 server has
>
> an internet connection, you can then connect to
>
> > telnet BBSs on the internet
> >
> :-)
> :
> > The NitrOS9 L3 DOES NOT work. It is an experiment to attempt to get
>
> Alan deKok's experimental OS9 L3 to NitrOS9 and was never successful.
>
> > Too much
>
> has changed since Alan did the L3. Why the disk images are
>
> > available, I don't
>
> know. They should never have been put in the
>
> > downloads.
>
> I'll disagree.  I
> have an idea whats missing, (the memory mapping is
> incomplete for starters,
> allocating 2 8k blocks for rbf stuff, but never
> returning to a common map, from
> which it then needs to allocate 16k for
> scf related stuff.) but haven't found
> my round tuit.  If someone else
> beats me to it, so be it.
>
> Then nitros9 breaks
> it further by haveing several DW related modules with
> split personalities, so
> they cannot be said to be 100% rbf, or 100% SCF.
> Something the level 3, if
> fully done, demands to be separated.
> Those modules MUST NOT be put in rbf or scf
> specific memory, but in
> common.  Not currently possible because the map
> handling is not complete
> in the code we have now.
>
> So its there, just waiting
> for someone to grab that bull by the horns &
> make it work.
>
> > The dw_headless
>
> disk images are for running the Coco via DW4 WITHOUT a
>
> > monitor from a remote
>
> DW terminal. All of the "headless" build are of
>
> > such nature. Not usable for
>
> "normal" Coco use as you have no display.
>
> > The DW version will boot NitrOS9
>
> then open an 80x24 text display on
>
> > you DW4 server. The others will do similar
>
> for their platforms.
>
> > Bill Pierce
> > "Charlie stole the handle, and
>
> the train it won't stop going, no way
>
> > to slow down!" - Ian Anderson - Jethro
>
> Tull
>
> > My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>
> > Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for
>
> CocoPedia
>
> > http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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> for TRS-80/Tandy Color Computer Forums
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
>
> Ryan J R Pritchard via Coco <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>
> > To: CoCoList for Color
>
> Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>
> > Cc: Ryan J R Pritchard
>
> <coconut at pritchard.ca>
>
> > Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2015 1:50 am
> > Subject: [Coco]
>
> Supercomm fails to load on NitrOS9 lvl 2 on my CoCo 3
>
> > with 128K, and a couple
>
> of other questions?
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > It seems perhaps supercomm has higher
>
> memory requirements than my
>
> > CoCo 3 with 128K, running on NitrOS9 LvL 2 (via
>
> DriveWire) can
>
> > provide.  Does anyone have confirmation on the memory
>
> requirements for
>
> > supercomm?
> >
> > Also trying
> > to boot the NitrOS9 LvL 3
>
> nos96809l3v030300coco3_dw.dsk comes to a
>
> > NITROS9 BOOT - FAILED message.  Would
>
> this likely be related to having
>
> > only 128K?
> >
> > Lastly
> > what are the
>
> dw_headless images for?  I am having difficulties finding
>
> > any Wiki references.
>
> Based on my best guess it would be to simply use
>
> > a terminal program on the
>
> computer running the DW server to access the
>
> > CoCo remotely.  I can’t seem to
>
> figure out the telnet into the CoCo
>
> > using DW 4.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ryan
>
> Pritchard
>
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> >
> >
> >
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