[Coco] [CoCo] Just learning OS-9 - Questions

Fri May 31 09:45:58 EDT 2013

Aaron, RFM sounds like it could definately be useful when it's ready :-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 9:24 am
Subject: Re: [Coco] [CoCo] Just learning OS-9 - Questions

It is not really usable at this time.
On May 31, 2013 9:14 AM, "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Aaron,
> Does RFM actually work? Or is it still under developement?
> If it works, what would be the proper way to use it?
>
> Bill Pierce
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 8:42 am
> Subject: Re: [Coco] [CoCo] Just learning OS-9 - Questions
>
>
> There has been some work done towards this type of thing already.
> It's actually a new file manager called RFM (Remote File Manager).  It
> allows you to mount a directory on the server or even a remote FTP
> server or SMB share under NitrOS9.
>
> Making this work for rawcopy would probably not be too difficult,
> actually easier than making it work with dir, copy, and the other
> utilities in OS9 (because those often assume an RBF device).  I'll see
> what I can do.
>
> -Aaron
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus)
> <retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > aaron you know what would be a killer add on to dw and then the rawcopy
> > very useful ? the ability to add a folder as a disk.
> >
> > That would be read only, all changes would not be forwarded to real
> files,
> > but DW would take all the files in the folder and create in memory an
> os-9
> > disk image including all the files. In this way we could easily copy any
> > file without having to create a os9 disk with os9 format and copying then
> > one by one. And of course if you change the file on pc, you need to
> > "reload" the folder again on dw.
> >
> > Dw could ultimately save this image on a .dsk file too as it does when
> you
> > create a new disk on it.
> >
> > we could create (on windows only) a "convert to os-9 dsk" shell extension
> > and right click on a file and create a .dsk automatically too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus) <
> > retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> hi, as I said here is the rawcopy:
> >>
> >> https://sites.google.com/site/tandycocoloco/dropbox
> >>
> >> but in the form it is is only useful to copy from a disk image file to a
> >> floppy. You must format the disk before as os-9 even if it's not going
> to
> >> be an os-9 disk, and then copy it using:
> >>
> >>  rawcopy hitchhike.dsk /d0@
> >>
> >> of course you must have the disk image in your hard disk otherwise it
> >> won't work as I cannot read (using I$Read) from a non os-9 floppy, it
> will
> >> stop at the LSN0.
> >>
> >> Just an idea, imagine if we had a special option to the DW server, like
> >> HDB-DOS emulation we would have OS-9 LSN0 Fooling, DW would add and
> >> artificial LSN0 based on the disk geometry. For the backup utility it
> just
> >> need to skip the fake lsn0 and proceed with the copy writing the real
> lsn0
> >> at the end.
> >>
> >> Or, we can go for a low level access to ignore the lsn0, creating a
> >> special os-9 driver maybe ?
> >>
> >> just putting ideas on the table...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus) <
> >> retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> it's a rawcopy it won't check size or sectors nothing, it skips the
> first
> >>> 256 bytes and start copying until either src or tgt gives an error and
> then
> >>> finally it copies the first 256 bytes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sure, I'd appreciate a copy.  If you are OK with sharing and
> >>>> maintaining, I would think this type of utility would merit inclusion
> >>>> in the NitrOS9 distribution.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus)
> >>>> <retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > I can send you the rawcopy.asm later if you want. Need to improve
> it by
> >>>> > deleting the file if it already exists (when rawcopying from a
> device
> >>>> to a
> >>>> > file).
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus)
> >>>> >> <retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> > Talking about transfering files I just had a problem this week.
> As I
> >>>> >> don't
> >>>> >> > have a PC with internal floppy drive - they are so 80's :o) i had
> >>>> to rely
> >>>> >> > on driveWire and use my coco gear to make it. And I found that
> >>>> >> transferring
> >>>> >> > a non OS-9 40 track floppy (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
> is
> >>>> one)
> >>>> >> > impossible with the tools I had in hands. No, RS-DOS backup will
> >>>> stop at
> >>>> >> > atrack 35 and OS-9 backup starts writing the LSN0 and screws the
> >>>> drive
> >>>> >> > access so far.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > I tried making a Basic09 program and I found it has issues beyond
> >>>> track
> >>>> >> 35
> >>>> >> > too, so I made my very own rawcopy tool for os-9 that copies the
> >>>> raw file
> >>>> >> > or raw device to another device, but it skips the LSN0 and it
> will
> >>>> copy
> >>>> >> it
> >>>> >> > as a final step. So i can use it as: rawcopy /x1@ /d0@ or even
> >>>> rawcopy
> >>>> >> > image.dsk /d0@ and it worked fine :)
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Cool!  I have wished for such a thing more than once but never
> sorted
> >>>> >> out how to do it beyond finding that giving the raw devs to regular
> >>>> >> copy doesn't work.
> >>>> >>
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