[Coco] Fest Ideas was Aaron's apology and Coco Contest Results

Mike Rowen mike at bcmr3.net
Tue Apr 30 17:08:21 EDT 2013 

Just to clarify, I am not accusing anyone of using proxy bids to dump things on eBay, just saying it's a concern and I don't think anyone did anything inappropriate during the Fest auction. I mainly just don't think the club need be directly involved in such proxy transactions. 

Cheers,
-Mike

On Apr 30, 2013, at 4:21 PM, "Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus)" <retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Allen made the proxy at the very end of the fest.
> 
> I think this is a great way to sell the remaining things. Let's say, people
> who really attend the fest always have the priority to buy and the
> leftovers could be proxified only for active and known members of the
> community. There won't be bidding, they will pay a full fair price which is
> better than any evilbay prices.
> 
> All the people who besides me also bought with the help of Allen were known
> ones. Also limiting the quantity of goods per person would avoid hoarders
> and resellers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> A few thoughts about this....
>> 
>> First and foremost, I think the primary goal of any internet services
>> must always be to encourage physical attendance to the fest.
>> 
>> There is a balance point between extending some of the fun to those
>> who just cannot make it and giving people an excuse not to try their
>> best to attend in person.  If we can find it, the online activities
>> will feed the fest.  However, these same things might degrade the fest
>> or the experience for those who do attend if we are not cautious.
>> 
>> There is no doubt the video feed could be improved.  In past years I
>> have done walkarounds and done more with moving the cam to different
>> interesting areas.  This year I simply did not have time to man the
>> post as I would have liked to.
>> 
>> I honestly have mixed feelings about the idea of internet bids in the
>> auction.  I am glad that the people who Allen helped to acquire some
>> hardware this year were able to participate because I know they are
>> "real coconuts" who will make great use of the items, and in some
>> cases I personally know these were items they struggled to find in the
>> past.  However, as was mentioned elsewhere, opening bidding to the
>> entire internet could easily attract the same opportunists who control
>> ebay and who have ruined the fun for other platforms.  The auction has
>> always been a unique opportunity for those who make the effort to
>> attend and I think this "perk" is quite valuable.
>> 
>> I like Allens idea of accepting bids only from Glenside members.  I
>> think I would take things a step further by specifically not having
>> any official method offered to remote members for casting bids.  This
>> is not to say that internet bids would be forbidden, simply that to
>> bid you must make the arrangements yourself with someone you know at
>> the fest.
>> 
>> Well.. just my opinion.  I'll help to provide whatever services are
>> generally agreed upon, just wanted to express some concern.
>> 
>> -Aaron
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wasn't at the fest, but I saw more people in the chatroom than I ever
>> have and all eyes were on the video feed.... ESPECIALLY during the auctions!
>>> Allen Huffman was grascious enough to make a few "proxy" bids for people
>> in the chatroom which I thought was awsome! And so did the ones who won
>> their bids. I think a lot of money could be raised in this manner as the
>> Fest is really just too far to travel for many of us with the economy the
>> way it is.
>>> With this said, I have a few suggestions/requests for next years fest.
>>> 
>>> Have someone IN the chatroom who's at the fest to relay auction items
>> and bids. There were times the cam came through a little slow and bids
>> would have been way behind if only the cam were used. Also, the sound was
>> bad if the cam was too far from the auctioneer.
>>> 
>>> Have a PayPal account set up for immediate payment of items. If payment
>> doesn't come through in due time, item goes back up for auction or to last
>> bidder before the winner.
>>> 
>>> Do regular "walk arounds" with the cam during non activity times to let
>> chatroom people see the items for sale. If they are interested, have the
>> vender email or come in chat.
>>> 
>>> Venders make a website with items listed that will be offered. That
>> would help with knowing what the venders have.
>>> 
>>> Again, a paypal account would be the way to go for the internet sales.
>>> 
>>> Have a cam for each room used. There were times the cam was sitting on
>> the table staring at the door and everyone was in the other room. I know
>> this could get a little much, but it's a thought.
>>> 
>>> These ideas could raise a lot of money for future fests as well as
>> benifit the vender's pockets :-)
>>> 
>>> Just some random thoughts...
>>> Bill P
>>> 
>>> Bill Pierce
>>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>>> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
>>> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
>>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
>>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Frank Pittel <fwp at deepthought.com>
>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Mon, Apr 29, 2013 8:28 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Aaron's apology and Coco Contest Results
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Allen,
>>> 
>>> I have to agree that this years fest was unusual. There was an energy and
>>> excitment I haven't seen since I started going
>>> to the fest. If you look at the posts on the mailing list and
>> conversations on
>>> the coco IRC channel you can see it. There's
>>> new hardware being designed and built as well as new software being
>> written!
>>> 
>>> The Other Frank
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 07:16:35PM -0500, Allen Huffman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Glen VanDenBiggelaar <glenvdb at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Aaron, Even though we have never met in person (you or John for that
>>> matter), I was (as you know) watching the live stream as you made the so
>> called
>>> comment. It appeared to me anyways, that you were making a good natured
>>> "ribbing" toward John, and there is no way anyone who was watching
>> should have
>>> or could have taken it any other way but two old friends needling each
>> other. I
>>> am not sure who took offence to it, other than someone who was telling
>> someone
>>> else about it and no seeing the whole thing in context. I wouldn't worry
>> to much
>>> about it, you did a fantastic job trying to bring the even to us, who
>> could not
>>> be there. Allen did a great job filling in also. I, for one, want to
>> thank all
>>> the effort it was for you to do what you did at the fest and the side
>> projects-
>>> I, at least, appreciated it, and if someone got bent out of shape for
>> you having
>>> a bit of fun with John, then they need to get a life.
>>>>> -thats my 2 cents (for what its worth).
>>>>> _ again, thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know if there was any offense, but he clarified after I asked
>> him what
>>> the deal was. I was at the show, but I missed whatever inside joke
>> started it
>>> and asked him for some details. Without seeing it in context, and just
>> reading
>>> those words, I figured others might have been confused too. I certainly
>> was
>>> puzzled at why the whole fest started picking on Linville ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> This was a weird Fest. I was there, but was learning about stuff going
>> on by
>>> reading the CoCo list or chat room. I missed the last two years, so
>> don't have a
>>> point of reference, but it sure seemed like a ton more happening this
>> year than
>>> many recent ones I did get to. Very neat to see.
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to rig my LED sign up to the internet next time so folks
>> in the
>>> chat room can get our attention or send messages if they need to. It
>> might also
>>> be useful for more merchants to have the chatroom loaded so folks who
>> cannot
>>> attend could still contact them about buying their goods.
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Allen Huffman - PO Box 22031 - Clive IA 50325 - 515-999-0227(vmail/TXT only)
>>>> Sub-Etha Software - http://www.subethasoftware.com - Established 1990!
>>>> Sent from my MacBook.
>>>> 
>>>> 22nd Annual "Last" Chicago CoCoFEST! April 27-28, 2013. Lombard, IL.
>>> http://www.glensideccc.com
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>> allenhuffman.dnsalias.com:2323
>>> (nights)
>>>> 
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