[Papyrus-L] Papyrus installation in Windows 7

[Albert L. Sims]

I have been monitoring the discussion concerning Papyrus in the newer
Windows operating systems.  Our IT person established a virtual PC on
Windows XP within my computer which was originally on Vista and now on
Windows 7.  This worked fairly well once we got all the bugs worked out.
However, as some of you have found, the Papyrus window box was somewhat
small, but workable, and the mouse and curser were not in sink.  It became
apparent to me that as we have had to manipulate the system to make Papyrus
work with new computers and Windows operating systems, the days of Papyrus
were getting limited.  This is unfortunate as I liked Papyrus and never
really used its full potential.  So I moved to Citation that will work in
Windows 7.  The conversion was a bit difficult because the conversion
subroutine in Citation that converts Papyrus files to a database that can be
read by Citation does not work in 64-bit Windows.  Fortunately after much
trial and error and the company not finding a good solution for me, the
company allowed me to download a second Citation into the 32-bit Windows XP
virtual PC.  There I made the conversion and emailed the converted file to
myself.  I am not up and running and so far so good.

 

Dr. Albert L. Sims

 

Northwest Research and Outreach Center

University of Minnesota

2900 University Ave.

Crookston, MN 56716

 

Phone: 218-281-8619

Fax: 218-281-8603

email:simsx008 at umn.edu

 

From: papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
[mailto:papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On Behalf Of John
Kiernan
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:38 PM
To: Papyrus Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus installation in Windows 7

 

That's the biggest I can get on my Vista laptop (17"), which doesn't
"support full screen mode" for anything. (I've not yet tried DOSBox on that
computer.)

My Win7 laptop (14") does allow full screen (Alt+Enter) for Papyrus running
in DOSBox. 

To move the mouse cursor out of or back into the DOSBox, you have to press
Ctrl+F10. That's Ctrl+Fn+F10 on this HP Pavilion DN4 laptop, which needs Fn
to use the tradtional F keys. 

John Kiernan

Anatomy, UWO

London, Canada
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On 09/09/10, Loren Coen <lcoen at sccf.org> wrote:


I can get it to run but mouse is a bit dicey, and the largest I can get it
to open to is 4" x 8" see below

 

 

Image removed by sender.

 

 

From: papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com
[mailto:papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On Behalf Of John
Kiernan
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:08 PM
To: Papyrus Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus installation in Windows 7

 

It should work with Vista. The DOSBox documentation indicates that it can be
used to run DOS programs under XP, Vista and Win7.  I've not yet tried
DOSBox on a computer with Vista.

 

Papyrus runs fairly smoothly under Vista (without recourse to DOSBox) if you
set the compatibility to an earlier Windows version such as Win95. This is
done by right-clicking the Papyrus icon, selecting Properties, and then
Compatibility. Check the little square and choose an older version from the
list that appears. This trick doesn't work with Win7. 

 

DOSBox won't run older non-DOS Windows programs. A notable example is the
splendid WIMP95 chemical structure drawing software. 

 

John Kiernan

Anatomy, UWO

London, Canada

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----- Original Message -----
From: Loren Coen <lcoen at sccf.org>
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 16:00
Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus installation in Windows 7
To: 'Papyrus Discussion List' <papyrus-l at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com>


> Will it then also work with Vista??



>  



> Loren



>  



> From: papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com

[mailto:papyrus-l-bounces at ResearchSoftwareDesign.com] On Behalf Of John
Kiernan

> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:12 PM

> To: Papyrus Discussion List

> Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] Papyrus installation in Windows 7



>  



> Papyrus on Windows 7 (64-bit).



> It can be done, using a free (public domain) program called DOSBox. The

current version (0.74) of DOSBox can be downloaded from
http://www.dosbox.com/  (Click on "Downloads" at the top of the page, and
follow the links). The program is easy to install, and it brings up a window
that behaves like a DOS Version 5, logged in to Drive "Z:". 


>  



> To run Papyrus, you have to "mount" drive letters to represent the

locations of the directories containing your Papyrus program and data files.
(I use P: to represent C:\REFS\PAPYRUS\ and Q: for C:\REFS\PAPREF\
respectively.) The Alt+Enter key combination can be used to toggle between
the rather small DOSBox window and full screen, if you like things big.
After quitting Papyrus, you are back at DOSBox's command prompt. You can
close DOSBox by entering the command EXIT or (Windows-wise) by clicking the
X at the top right corner. It would be possible to abandon DOSBox by
clicking the X in the middle of a Papyrus session. I haven't tried this! I
suspect that there would be no prompt to save changes.


>  



> With a little study of the DOSBox documentation, it's possible to find and

edit a configuration file that will do the mounting and start the program. I
now have the old familiar Papyrus icon on the Windows 7 desktop, and
everything works well. Edited and changed files are saved to my
C:\REFS\PAPREF directory. I can back up all the .BIB files to a memory stick
and copy them to another computer. 


> The DOSBox program appears to be aimed at games enthusiasts; it has many

features and options that aren't needed for Papyrus.


>  



> DOSBox can also accommodate many other DOS programs and utilities,

including some very useful ones that won't otherwise work in Vista or Win 7.

>From a desktop icon, I can now call up a utilities window, type in MW NaIO3

and see the molecular weight of sodium iodide (149.894).  I can type PEP
ala-tyr-gly-trp and get the MW of the peptide and an estimate of its pI. I
haven't yet tried larger DOS applications such as WordStar.


>  



> DOSBox may signal a few more years of useful life for Papyrus. I hope so.



>  



> Sadly, DOSBox will not run 16-bit graphics applications that need Win95/98

in addition to DOS. The WIMP95 program for drawing chemical structures is
one of these. It worked up to and including XP and Vista.  


>  



> I thank Rex Conn of http://jpsoft.com <http://jpsoft.com/>  (4DOS, 4NT,

TakeCommand etc) for telling me about DOSBox. 


>  



> John Kiernan



> Anatomy, UWO



> London, Canada



> = = =



> On 06/09/10, Tom Baumann <baumannt at ohsu.edu> wrote:



> Hi

> is it possible to install pap7017 on a system running 64-bit Windows 7

Professional (with XP compatibility)?

> 

> Has anybody tried/succeeded installing Papyrus on such a system?

> 

> Please let me know.

> 

> Tom

> 

> baumann12 at frontier.com

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