[Papyrus-L] Problems with Citations using XP

Mon Nov 4 11:38:07 EST 2002

Along the lines of what has been suggested by Raisa, that the operating
system's assumptions about file name extensions are getting in the way,
this may be worth checking.  I have found that whether file extensions are
'hidden' or not can cause unpredicable results with 'behind the scenes'
automation tasks in Word. This would not seem to be interrlated, but
surprisingly it is.

So, Tom, try this. In Windows Explorer, when you are viewing a folder with
"Details" (filenames and date), are the filenames shown with their
3-letter file extensions or not? If not, try switching ON this feature.
There should be two ways to do it:

Win Explorer - Tools|FolderOptions|View tab, UNCHECK "Hide file extensions
for known types".

Control Panel - FolderOptions, same setting.

I have found in the past with Win98/Win2k that processes which work 'in
the background' to do things with files (such as the clipboard file)  can
behave differently (sucess or lockup) when "view extensions" is switched
on or off. Hope this helps.

chris

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Christopher F. Martin
School of Medicine
Center for Gastrointestinal Biology and Disease
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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email: cmartin at unc.edu
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Raisa Deber wrote:

> At 09:17 AM 11/4/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >Dear Raisa,
> >     I tried that approach in XP and it doesn't work.  I think Tom Gill is
> >saying he tried the same.  You can get Papyrus to write to the diskfile,
> >but you can't access it but "about" one time.  If you try access the
> >diskfile a second time, the wordprocessor (I tried this in Word and
> >WordPerfect) seems to go into an infinite wait mode, and as I recall it
> >slows down the entire machine.  I tried all the different environment
> >emulator states that XP claims to let you use - they do give different
> >performances but none of them solved this problem.
> >
> >         -John
>
> John, what happens to the file that you are citing to that makes it
> hang?   My first thought is that it might be related to the name/suffix you
> are using.  Windows can be a bit weird about its automatic assumptions
> about the file structure re: assignments.  For example, it kept wanting to
> take files produced by my statistical package, SAS, and designate them as
> being sound files for some media driver (which I didn't even know I
> had.)  I also had a bit of trouble when I used the default Papyrus naming
> for the cite file- at erratic intervals, Windows was trying to convert the
> file to a graphics file, or something else weird, rather than leaving it as
> a text file.  I suspected I was either running into a reserved file name,
> or some sort of assignment hidden in the operating system.  Calling it
> cited.txt (and putting it in the Papyrus directory) worked.
>
> What I'd do to debug is to cite to the file from Papyrus.  Then, back in
> Windows, open that file with something like Notepad (NOT a word processor -
> it introduces too many other codes) to see what it looks like.  Close
> it.  Go back to Papyrus and try the cite again.  Open the file with notepad
> again.  See what, if anything, is happening there.  In theory, there is no
> reason why the approach of citing to a text file shouldn't work, unless
> Windows is introducing something strange, in which case it might be
> possible to find out what it is doing and get it to stop.
> Good luck.
> Raisa
>
>
>
> >At 10:06 AM 11/4/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > >At 08:19 AM 11/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > >>Since there has been only 1 response to my previous query from last
> > >>week, I will reframe the question.
> > >>
> > >>Has anyone successfully figured out how to use Papyrus to cite
> > >>references in Word97 documents in an XP environment?
> > >
> > >I haven't used XP, and I no longer use Word97, so take these remarks
> > >accordingly.
> > >But I don't see why using the Windows 2000 approach of setting up a file
> > >(rather than the clipboard) and letting Papyrus cite to it wouldn't work.
> > >So, in the preferences, OS2/NT Clipboard, tell Papyrus to use a file rather
> > >than the clipboard.  (I'd use something which the operating system is
> > >unlikely to use - e.g., cited.txt).  Then any citation would paste the
> > >material into that file.  Since there is no need to ever have that file
> > >open (as opposed to pasting from it into your word document) updating
> > >should work smoothly.  I don't even think you'd need a macro - just paste
> > >from that file.
> > >Hope this works.
> > >Raisa Deber
> > >
> > >
> > >>I had previously written a Macro in NT, buy it only works in XP when
> > >>the Papyrus clipboard file is first created.
> > >>
> > >>It appears that Papyrus cannot update the clipboard file (with new
> > >>citations) unless the primary (i.e. citing) document is closed.
> > >>
> > >>I would be grateful for your help.
> > >>
> > >>Tom Gill
> > >>
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> Department of Health Policy, Management and Evaluation
> University of Toronto
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> 12 Queen's Park Crescent West
> Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A8
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