[Papyrus-L] where to next?

Fri Oct 19 12:22:43 EDT 2001

You do not HAVE to put things in folders; just uncheck the folders box when 
importing.
Th references imported can [only?]be seen by clicking the "all 
references" icon on the outlook bar (activated from the view menu)

hth
Quoting Dr Andrew Wilson <andrew.wilson at archaeology.oxford.ac.uk>:

> 
> I have been trying out alternatives to Papyrus this last week, using
> the
> time-limited trial downloads of Endnote, ProCite, Reference Manager
> and
> Biblioscape available on their manufacturers' websites.
> 
> Several things have become clear:
> 
> 1. No program out there combines the ease of use of Papyrus with its
> powerful search capabilities, and intelligent fuzzy logic.
> 
> 2. If you have more than 32000 references, forget Endnote.
> 
> 3. If you need notecards, then of the 4 alternatives I have tried,
> Biblioscape is the only option.
> 
> 4. Biblioscape seems to have the most powerful search capabilities of
> the
> programs I have looked at.
> 
> 5. Biblioscape also allows you the most control over database
> structure.
> 
> 6. If you have used anything more than the bare minimum of Papyrus
> fields,
> you are going to have to get involved in a fairly painful conversion
> routine. The standard RIS OUT format for Papyrus omits some fields; and
> the
> RIS import templates in Biblioscape, Reference Manager etc. will need to
> be
> tailored to match any optional fields you have used. Also, the RIS OUT
> format only uses author initials so if you want to keep full first
> names
> you'll need to edit the format. You'll also find yourself playing
> around
> with mapping all those "Also print", "Other info" fields etc. onto
> whatever
> fields in the new program most closely fit the purpose you used them for
> in
> Papyrus.
> 
> Migration of a large database (72000 references in my case) is therefore
> a
> pretty big headache. I have spent all my spare time this week and last
> weekend testing and correcting import routines to the various programs
> to
> see if they will really handle the data I have. I am nearly there with
> Biblioscape (my preferred option for my purposes), but there are still
> some
> outstanding issues (there were similar issues with Reference Manager
> before
> I gave up on that):
> 
> 1. Most programs can't handle the distinction between authors and
> editors of
> a book in the way Papyrus does; they lose the "Authors are editors?"
> information. So in Biblioscape the editors simply become authors; but
> then
> you can't see that they should be editors.  You can get round this by
> using
> a custom field to store the Papyrus (ed) / (eds) output data, though
> you
> lose the automatic control over formatting that Papyrus could do with
> this.
> 
> 2. Other programs seem to insist on numeric dates. So dates like
> "1992-1993"
> are problematic, also "forthcoming 2002" and "in press". The import to
> Biblioscape just omits these so the date is blank.
> 
> 3. I haven't yet found a way to import notecards into Biblioscape. The
> suggestion recently posted on this list that you could put them in the
> Notes
> field of a reference won't work if you have multiple notecards for
> some
> references.
> 
> Does anybody have any suggestions on how to handle these last 3
> questions?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Dr Andrew Wilson
> University Lecturer in Roman Archaeology
> Institute of Archaeology
> 36 Beaumont St
> Oxford
> OX1 2PG
> 
> Tel: +44 (0)1865 278247
> Fax: +44 (0)1865 278254
> 
> e-mail: andrew.wilson at archaeology.ox.ac.uk
> Web page: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~corp0057/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: papyrus-l-admin at rsd.com [mailto:papyrus-l-admin at rsd.com]On
> Behalf
> Of Terri Singer
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:26 PM
> To: papyrus-l at rsd.com
> Subject: Re: [Papyrus-L] where to next?
> 
> 
> Roger:
> 
> I have just purchased Reference Manager. It does not have any limits.
> I
> can't tell you how it is working because I still haven't moved my
> files
> over, but limits were definitely a consideration for me.
> 
> Terri Singer
> 
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Dr Roger Middleton wrote:
> 
> > Like many last week, the news that Papyrus would no longer be
> > further developed was a shock and led me to think about
> > alternatives in the medium-term. One that is constantly
> > suggested is EndNote, but apparently that has a limit of
> > 32,000 references per library. Since I have 31,000 refs in
> > Papyrus I would like to know what exactly the implications of
> > this are. Needless to say I have e-mailed EndNote's technical
> > support on this matter, but not had a response. This may not
> > augur well for those contemplating such a move of product.
> > Meanwhile, I'm sticking firmly with Papyrus but does anyone know
> > EndNote who can advise?
> > Roger Middleton
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> > Dr Roger Middleton
> > Reader in the History of Political Economy
> > University of Bristol
> > 13 Woodland Road
> > Bristol BS8 1TB, United Kingdom
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
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> > Email Roger.Middleton at Bristol.ac.uk
> > URL   http://www.bristol.ac.uk/~hirm/rmhome.html
> >
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