[NHRC-user] NHRC-4/M2 Question

Sun Mar 3 16:48:46 EST 2002

Just an update here it is Sunday afternoon and the unit keeps on ticking
with a courtesy tone every 4 minutes and then an ID at 10 and the cycle
starts over again. This is with no signal input that I know of now at the
repeater site.

Has anyone seen a TS-32 fail in this manner? The unit is on PL access only
so something is setting off controller on specific intervals.

Dave AC4MU

-----Original Message-----
From: nhrc-user-admin at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-admin at nhrc.net]On Behalf Of
David Shiplett
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:34 AM
To: nhrc-user at nhrc.net
Subject: RE: [NHRC-user] NHRC-4/M2 Question

The tones are reliable and it doesn't seem to have a problem there. I
installed the repeater back at the site last night.

Sitting here this morning with all thing quiet. I kerchunked the unit to get
it into an ID cycle. After the ID at the 4 minute point it does a key up
with a courtesy tone. Then again at 8 minutes and then I get an ID and the
cycle starts all over.

Could be the TS-32. The timing of it is what is so puzzling. It is way to
precise. I wouldn't think anything in the GE M2 base unit would cause this
as the only card in the rack is the 10 volt regulator and we are not using
anything else. I was thinking that maybe something in the pre-amp might be
going...but again it happens at specific times.

I actually turned down the ID volume and because of complaint early on
thinking it was a site related problem.

It will be beaten!

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: nhrc-user-admin at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-admin at nhrc.net]On Behalf Of
Jeff Otterson
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:35 PM
To: nhrc-user at nhrc.net
Subject: RE: [NHRC-user] NHRC-4/M2 Question

What is confusing to me is that both the CAS and PTT lights flicker.

This is why I thought it could be static discharge.

Do the DTMF tones reliably decode?

Jeff...

At 07:01 AM 3/1/2002, you wrote:
>I will try a couple of other experiments to narrow this down. The problem
>had been ongoing at the repeater site but was written off as intermod or
>some other cause from around the repeater site.
>
>The signal source is a CT-3000B and it may be some noise from it. But that
>won't explain it happening at the repeater site. I could see a receiver
>problem but not at exact intervals.
>
>I did monitor the TS-32 and cannot see any logic pulse on it each time
>happens.
>
>What is way too confusing is the repeatablility of the problem at exactly 4
>minute intervals. It is like a timer is doing this.
>
>Will keep looking.
>
>Dave
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nhrc-user-admin at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-admin at nhrc.net]On Behalf
Of
>PETER GAILUNAS
>Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:31 PM
>To: nhrc-user at nhrc.net
>Subject: RE: [NHRC-user] NHRC-4/M2 Question
>
>Hi,
>Pete here from NHRC.
>
>If the Green CAS led will only illuminate if both CAS and PL are
>satisfied.  The controller handles this function with simple transistor
>logic.
>If the green led flickers it is because it is getting a valid signal from
>the MASTR-II and the pl decoder.  If the green LED flickers the controller
>thinks a signal is present and starts doing it job.
>The ID cycle starts and will continue indefinitely if the CAS led keeps
>flickering.
>
>
>It could be a tone decoder problem,  It could be intermod.  It may be
>possible that the tone decoder is responding intermittently to some
>distortion component of the 1KHZ signal.  It only needs to be for a
>fraction of a sec to create a valid CAS and start the cycle.    The
>distortion may be due to IF issues.
>
>I don't think it is a controller related problem.
>
>let me know if this helps.
>
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 08:16 PM 2/28/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >This sounds like a hardware problem.  Let's see what Pete has to say
about
>it.
> >
> >My guess is static discharge.  I could be way off base, but that's my
> >first guess.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >At 08:03 PM 2/28/2002, you wrote:
> >>NHRC-4/M2...
> >>
> >>Jeff,
> >>
> >>I was also wrong about the led that I thought was the RB is actually the
> >>main receiver green LED. A couple of other pieces of information. I am
> >>applying a continuous signal on the receiver with a 1khz tone. I am
using
>PL
> >>decode only to access the repeater. I have checked the 10 regulator in
it
> >>appears clean. What has me perplexed is the every 4 minute hit on the
main
> >>COS and PTT line. Without any corresponding change in the receiver.
After
> >>the second hit in a couple of minutes the unit ID's and the cycle starts
> >>over.
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>
> >>Dave
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: nhrc-user-admin at nhrc.net [mailto:nhrc-user-admin at nhrc.net]On
Behalf
>Of
> >>Jeff Otterson
> >>Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:58 PM
> >>To: nhrc-user at nhrc.net
> >>Subject: Re: [NHRC-user] NHRC-4/M2 Question
> >>
> >>Hi David,
> >>    Which controller are you referring to?
> >>
> >>    Jeff Otterson
> >>    NHRC LLC
> >>
> >>At 02:15 PM 2/28/2002, you wrote:
> >> >Has anyone had a situation where the NHRC appears to get a reset
signal
>on
> >>a
> >> >periodic reoccurring basis. I am experiencing a problem where we seem
to
>be
> >> >getting an ID every 11  12 minutes. Upon watching the unit I see a
false
> >> >signal setting off the RB PTT and the Main PTT every 3 minutes 55
>seconds
> >> >give or take a few.
> >> >
> >> >The unit is being operated in PL mode only using a TS-32 so you would
>thing
> >> >nothing should false the line to reset the timer for CW ID. You may
even
> >>get
> >> >a courtesy tone at the PTT event but not always.
> >> >
> >> >Also, what is the difference between rev a and rev b units?
> >> >
> >> >David L. Shiplett
> >> >Warner Robins Operations Manager
> >> >LH Network, Inc.
> >> >211 Independence Drive
> >> >Warner Robins, GA 31088
> >> >email: Daves at lhnetwork.com
> >> >(478) 971-3281 (V)
> >> >(478) 971-3481 (F)
> >> >
> >>
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