[Coco] WTB Orchestra 90 cartridge

John W. Linville linville at tuxdriver.com
Wed Aug 3 14:06:10 EDT 2016


On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 11:38:13AM -0400, RETRO Innovations wrote:
>    Since you have the unit open, can you determine the voltage rating on
>    the orange rectangular caps (There should be 2 .1uF ones and 2 .047uF
>    ones)?  The schematic does not show a voltage rating on those.

Sorry, they don't seem to have any such markings -- '473 T' and '104
"S"'. I think the T and S indicate tolerances.

>    Also, the legends and marking on the SIP resistor and the DIP resistor
>    network would help Zippster out as well.  The wattage and precision for
>    those networks are not marked on the schematic either.

The DIP 20Ks are marked L2038 and the SIP 10Ks are marked 1038H. Both are
marked "IAM", which I presume to be the manufacturer -- unsure.

John

> 
>    Jim
> 
>      On August 3, 2016 at 10:16 AM "John W. Linville"
>      <linville at tuxdriver.com> wrote:
>      The Orch-90 card I have opened has NP electrolytics exactly as in
>      the schematics, 1uF @ C7 and 0.1uF @ C9 and C10.
>      Hth!
>      John
>      On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 07:39:10AM -0500, Zippster wrote:
> 
>      Yes, I'm reluctant to open the one Orch 90 cart I have here as well.
>      :)
>      I've been wondering about the choice in value as well.
>      Using .1uF does seem like a really low value, until you take into
>      consideration
>      that the output cap, in conjunction with the input circuit on the
>      receiving end
>      form a high-pass filter. To see what the effects of the value chosen
>      will be,
>      we need to know what that load impedance will be.
>      What I can gather on the internet indicates it is typically 10,000W*
>      or more,
>      at least for typical consumer gear, and walking around the house
>      with a multimeter
>      here would seem to confirm that.
>      The lowest I could find were the small speakers shown in the CoCo2
>      test,
>      at 12,000W*. One TV came in at 50K ohms, and everything else I could
>      find
>      ran into many, many megohms.
>      So, in a worst case scenario (10K), you're looking at a -3dB roll
>      off of ~159Hz
>      using a .1uF output cap. At megohm input impedances, it's
>      negligible, certainly
>      beyond the range of human hearing (mine at least), and wouldn't
>      really matter.
>      If the schematics are correct at .1uF, I almost suspect Tandy might
>      have intended
>      the high-pass formed from the connection to aid in filtering out low
>      Hz noise,
>      but who knows. The other consideration I suppose would be just what
>      frequencies
>      is this circuit even capable of producing.
>      I may bump the value up of the output caps to something like 10uF or
>      more on
>      the final revision, not sure. BTW, I was able to find .1uF bi-polar
>      electrolytic caps
>      at Digikey.
>      <http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=20
>      3424567&uq=636057666275979890
>      <http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=20
>      3424567&uq=636057666275979890>>
>      - Ed
> 
>      On Aug 3, 2016, at 4:51 AM, Jayeson Lee-Steere
>      <cocolistemail at titaniumstudios.com> wrote:
>      Very cool Ed.
>      On capacitors, I think perhaps the schematic is in error with the
>      0.1uF
>      non-polarized cap values. The smallest NP electrolytic I can find
>      available
>      anywhere is 1uF, and if you look at the pic of the Orch 90 board,
>      what
>      should be the 0.1uF NP caps are physically larger than what is
>      supposed to
>      be a 1uF NP cap. And then there is the question of, if 0.1uF is the
>      intended value, why not use polyester caps as was done with the
>      opamp input
>      circuit?
>      In fact, the caps look suspiciously like the polarized 10uF bypass
>      cap on
>      the 5V rail. This happens to be the same value as the output cap
>      used for
>      Tandy's Coco 2 and Coco 3 audio out. Not the best evidence since the
>      output
>      impedance of the Orch 90 DAC is indeed around 1/100th of the Coco
>      2/3
>      circuits mentioned. Still, makes more sense to me than using a 0.1uF
>      NP
>      electrolytic where a 0.1uF polyester cap would do.
>      Having the screw under the label sure is a curse, eh.
>      Jayeson
>      On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Zippster <zippster278 at gmail.com>
>      wrote:
> 
>      >> Thank you. :)>>
>      >> After playing some tunes in your CoCo, you can just flip the
>      switch and
>      >> plug it into a Dragon. Thanks to Pere Serrat's adaptation of the
>      Orch 90
>      >> ROM.
>      >>
>      >> <https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1sgl615FlGnNzRhNC1xSjRBSFk <
>      >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1sgl615FlGnNzRhNC1xSjRBSFk>>
>      >>
>      >> Just plugged into the TV speakers, but you can see it works...
>      >>
>      >> - Ed
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>> On Aug 2, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Bill Pierce via Coco
>      <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>      >> wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>> <Applause> Good job!
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>> Bill Pierce
>      >>> "Charlie stole the handle, and the train it won't stop going, no
>      way to
>      >> slow down!" - Ian Anderson - Jethro Tull
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>
>      >>
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