[Coco] Kip's Single Board Computer

Dave Philipsen dave at davebiz.com
Sat Sep 19 01:08:19 EDT 2015


Kip, would you rather build one from scratch or just get one already 
built?  I have a number of them already built that I could send out.  
I'll try to write up a little documentation for it.  I also have an 
assembler and a monitor for it.  For some things it can be faster than a 
6809 because of the 4MHz speed but of course it won't do relocatable 
code.  If you're familiar with 6809 assembler code this will be a cinch 
to pick up.  Some mnemonics are a little different but more ways similar 
than not.

Dave


P.S. I got the Moxham board in the mail yesterday and ordered the FPGA 
dev board for it.  Looks pretty interesting!


On 2015-09-18 23:47, Kip Koon wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> I would very much like to experiment with your HC11 PCB.  It looks
> very interesting.  I'm currently reading a book called Microcontroller
> Technology - 68HC11 & 68HC12.  It would be interesting to play with
> this board as I learn the 68HC11.  I have several HC11F1 chips on hand
> I could use.  Please let me know everything I need to get this PCB
> going.  Thanks a bunch in advance!
> 
> Kip Koon
> computerdoc at sc.rr.com
> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Coco [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Dave 
>> Philipsen
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:00 PM
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Kip's Single Board Computer
>> 
>> Yep, it probably will.  The beauty of the 'reset' chip is that it 
>> continuously monitors VCC for an out-of-range value and will put the 
>> CPU
>> back in reset if it finds that.  A lot of times what causes a CPU to 
>> 'lock up' is some dirty supply voltage that cause the something
>> abnormal to show up on the data/address lines and then the CPU takes a 
>> hike to la-la land.  This chip is like a power supply watchdog.
>> It also conditions a reset button input because, as you probably know, 
>> mechanical switches can be noisy/bouncy.
>> 
>> Here's a photo of a more recent revision of the board that I did with 
>> onboard 5v regulator and a power supply barrel connector.  The
>> 'HC11 runs at 4 MHz bus speed, has full 16-bit external address bus, 
>> buffered data lines, some decoded chip selects, internal 1K SRAM,
>> internal 512-byte EEPROM, serial port, SPI port.  The board has all of 
>> the signals brought out to expansion connectors, the reset chip,
>> a 16 MHz oscillator, RS232 port, power LED. socket for RTC and 
>> external EEPROM,
>> 27C256 EPROM socket, etc.  If anyone's interested in playing around 
>> with one or building it from scratch I could make up some
>> documentation for it along with a basic monitor in EPROM.  I think I 
>> still have quite a few bare boards floating around that I would sell
>> for cheap.  And, it's a tried and tested design.  As I said, I produce 
>> somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,000-1,500 of these and they're
>> all still running now.
>> 
>> http://www.davebiz.com/HC11-new.jpg
>> 
>> Dave Philipsen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On , John W. Linville wrote:
>> > Well, that seems fine.  But I think a simple capacitor will do the
>> > job... :-)
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:34:59PM -0500, Dave Philipsen wrote:
>> >> So I just sent Jim an offer to send a couple of DS1233-10 chips.  The
>> >> chip basically holds a CPU in reset for 350ms after the power supply
>> >> comes up and is stable.  I have used probably 1,500-2,000 of these
>> >> over the years in a little 68HC11 board I designed about 20 years
>> >> ago:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.davebiz.com/HC11.jpg
>> >>
>> >> You can see the DS1233-10 in the upper left corner of the board next
>> >> to the oscillator chip.
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On , John W. Linville wrote:
>> >> >On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:06:04PM -0500, RETRO Innovations wrote:
>> >> >>On 9/15/2015 11:49 AM, John W. Linville wrote:
>> >> >>>On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:15:15PM -0400, RETRO Innovations wrote:
>> >> >>>>    The new board, as it were (it's getting less new by the month) is Kip's
>> >> >>>>    take on Searle's 6 IC 6809.  His is 8, and offers some interesting
>> >> >>>>    enhancement options.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>    But, when I try to bring the board up, I'm struggling:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>      * there is no signal on Q or E.
>> >> >>>>      * Nothing of interest on the crystal pins (though my Tek could be
>> >> >>>>        interfering with the feedback).
>> >> >>>>      * I took the CPU off the board, breadboarded with HALT and RESET
>> >> >>>>        high, crystal and caps installed, and still no Q or E.  I tried a
>> >> >>>>        known working 6809 from my SuperPET, and nothing.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>    I'm new to 6809/6309, so I am not sure where to start.  I am sure once
>> >> >>>>    I get the CPU running, the rest will be quick work, but the fact that I
>> >> >>>>    can't seem to get a 6809 by itself to generate Q and E bothers me and
>> >> >>>>    lowers my confidence that the board is ready to be debugged.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>    Kip, send the man a board.  I'll buy it for him.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>    Jim
>> >> >>>I'm fairly certain that the clock problem is caused by the lack of
>> >> >>>RC circuit on the RESET^ line, as I described in my earlier
>> >> >>>note...do I get a board too? :-)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>John
>> >> >>Happy to buy you one.  My time is precious, and saving 2-3 hours on
>> >> >>the bench is worth quite a bit at this stage in my life.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>So, for the 6809 noob, is there a data sheet page I should
>> >> >>reference for the correct cap/resistor values?
>> >> >
>> >> >So, the RESET^ reference on page 6 points to Figure 7 (which is on
>> >> >page 8).  There it refers to the initial low time as "tRC".
>> >> >
>> >> >Near the bottom of the chart in Figure 1 (on page 3) it shows a
>> >> >maximum value for tRC as 100mS.  Oddly, no minimum is listed.
>> >> >
>> >> >Referring to the Simon6809 schematic, it looks like he is using an R
>> >> >of 10Kohm and a C of 10uF.  That should put you right at that 100mS
>> >> >"maximum", but it works fine.
>> >> >
>> >> >Anyway, I would suggest something approaching 100mS.  Since Kip
>> >> >seems to have a 2.2Kohm pull-up on RESET^, maybe a 47uF capacitor
>> >> >from there to ground?  Of course, that ignores the R10 and LED
>> >> >path...you may have to try some different cap values if that doesn't work...
>> >> >
>> >> >>I remember the reset controller from my 68hc11 days.  Man, Motorola
>> >> >>was picky on reset.
>> >> >
>> >> >:-)
>> >> >
>> >> >John
>> >> >--
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