[Coco] xroar for Nintendo DS

[cyberpunk at prtc.net]

Perfection doesn't exist I would be happy with something that actually works instead of just showing garbage on the screen which is what that current app does, vcc nor mess are perfect but at least they do work

Sent from my android device.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Heskett <gheskett at wdtv.com>
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] xroar for Nintendo DS

On Friday 30 January 2015 02:46:45 cyberpunk at prtc.net did opine
And Gene did reply:
> Your answer is the precise reason no such ambulation for Android exist
> and has to be the most inane answer for marketing perspective as well
> you're really not a good salesman because if you told a client of any
> service what you just told me they would tell you to go to fucking
> hell and never buy anything from you ever again. And yes I do look at
> an emulation of the color computer be it  for Android,  IOS as a
> product, when I downloaded xroar for android there was no hint that it
> was still a work in progress as you claim so I never agreed to be a
> beta tester either in fact it was promoted very much as a finished
> product so try again

I am with the apparent majority here, and likely the senior member of this 
group. This group is for the community of us who support the 6x09 
machines, mainly coco's but there is a scattering of other machines 
represented here, such as the Dragon, and even the 8 bit Atari's with a 
6809 plugin.

We all get testy at times, and you've seen me do it just this week.  In my 
defense, I am trying to run down a couple problems, one of which is the 
megaread speed I am getting as its slowed by nominally 7 seconds in the 
last 15 years or so.  So am I, but at 80, WYSIWYG.  The other one I just 
found the answer to by inspecting the scf.d file in the defs directory.  
The default build of the /t2 and /t3 descriptors neglects it, but it is 
also intended for rs-232 deluxe packs that do not have DCD/DCS swapped, 
which is what it takes to make the "7 wire protocol" function correctly.  
But that is just fog in the air, not worth a bucket of warm spit to 
anybody but me.

You come roaring in here with a commercial software should be perfect 
attitude and are trying to apply that attitude as if this is commercial 
for sale software. This it is not.  Commercial sw is generally far less 
perfected than sw that is audited by probably (in this group) by as many 
as 50 competent coders, something I would like to think I am a member of 
occasionally.

That attitude doesn't fly at all well here. Since I run linux here, no 
winderz allowed on the property, I will use a quote from Linus Torvolds 
who was replying to someone bitching because something wasn't working: 
Patches welcome.

IOW, take you attitude someplace else.  Said another way, put up or shut  
up, and ask politely if any progress has been made.

IMO, an emulator, any of them, is not a coco, and I have several of the 
real thing, so I don't use one, and have zero interest in running an 
emulator.  When I write code, it gets tested to the 9's on real hardware.

> Sent from my android device.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chad H <chadbh74 at hotmail.com>
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] xroar for Nintendo DS
> 
> I defend it because the effort alone put into these endeavors sheds
> light on situations and issues which benefits others regardless of how
> successful that endeavor may be.  I applaud anyone who seeks to
> improve the user experience in this community by any means suited to
> his or her own skill set and pursuits.  If they succeed in creating a
> great product, even if not perfect, we all can learn from it, maybe
> even callaborate on future improvements and enhancements or develop
> our own modified versions to suit our individual tastes (HDBDOS and
> EPROM boards are good examples of this that come to mind, two of
> many). Even if the endeavor fails to achieve its goal, its a learning
> experience for all involved or why may read upon it later.  Who knows,
> it may still help someone to succeed in their own attempts later on.
> 
> I will defend and encourage any and all endeavors that could enhance
> the CoCo community's knowledge base and software/hardware resources. 
> I try to refrain from telling someone 'why you can't do this', instead
> just say 'you will need to deal with this obstacle but I don't know
> how'. Otherwise I would have already done it.  There will always be
> others who can figure out how to do things I cannot...I applaud them. 
> A piece of hardware, or software (I.e. emulator) may have issues. 
> That just means its a work in progress.  But even a seemingly finished
> product becomes the same when someone comes up with bright ideas to
> augment or enhance it further.  This is progress..it takes time,
> patience and perseverance. There is no room for whining or griping as
> those things accomplish nothing at all.
> 
> On a final note... Before anyone should criticize the "quality" of
> anyone else's work, they should be able to produce evidence of work
> that accomplishes the same intended function but with better quality
> and the reasons that such increased quality exists.  If no better work
> can be found or produced, the person criticizing should apologize and
> proceed to shut his mouth and let the person who is actually working
> accomplish something.
> 
> Sent from my Transformer Infinity


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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