[Coco] HDBDOS (IDE) & MESS (Coco2)

Wed Mar 12 12:22:04 EDT 2014

Luis, again, the idea is to stay in Vcc... Or even the real Coco when I can. I am aware of all the windows/linux utils that will do the copies.
MShell will allow one to copy complete drives (via batch copy when finished), from one type to another (DW4, RSDOS (floppy or partition), CF, Emu, real, etc) as well as browse the PC server and mount VHD images and do this from Vcc or a real Coco 3. I hope to have a demo out soon, but have a couple of rogue pointers overwriting data memory somewhere that I need to trace and fix.

Bill Pierce
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-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus) <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [Coco] HDBDOS (IDE) & MESS (Coco2)

Ok now I got it.

The toolshed os9 will recognise my image as a valid OS-9 one. But just
the first one which is the 6309 partion by doing:

os9 dir cf_glenside.img,

os9 copy mshell cf_glenside.img,/CMDS/mshell

This is a 128MB partition so you can copy pretty much whatever you
want. No need to use VCC. If you want to copy a mshell program to the
other partition CMDs then copy to the default and booting each one you
use:

copy /I0/CMDS/mshell /DD/CMDS/mshell

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Luis, what I mean is I can copy my vhd images to the vhd on the CF image. I do 
not own a CF for the Coco so I have to work with images. By using this method, I 
can copy the contents of my vhd to the vhd on the CF while in Vcc and post them 
for download for those who use SuperIDE. All they have to do is copy the image 
to the real CF. This is just easier for me than using windows or linux utils as 
I stay in Vcc.
>
> Also, with the SuperIDE emu set up on Vcc, this gives me a way to test my file 
manager (MShell) on a CF image. I already know that it will not work on Roger's 
CF unit due to his use of weird formats and offsets. His OS9 implementation is 
barely usable at the most.
>
>
> Bill Pierce
> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>
>
> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
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>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus) <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 11:01 am
> Subject: Re: [Coco] HDBDOS (IDE) & MESS (Coco2)
>
>
> What do you mean by make your collections available on a CF ?
>
> VCC works with a .vhd file. You still write and read from it. If you
> want to transfer it to a real CF you need to use te Win32 Disk Image
> or the dd linux command and transfer this .vhd direct to it in raw
> mode. But VCC cannot access the CF directly.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Luis, Nice job by the way :-)
>> Now to talk Ciaran into implementing this in XRoar for the Coco 1 & 2 :-)
>>
>> By using this interface in VCC, I should be able to make my VHD collections
> available on a CF image. Correct?
>>
>>
>> Bill Pierce
>> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>>
>>
>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
>> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus) <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 10:21 am
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] HDBDOS (IDE) & MESS (Coco2)
>>
>>
>> Nope there is only one image, but multiple os-9 partitions. You press
>> 1 to 6 to access them.
>>
>> There is also extra 100 virtual disks they are accessed by tampering
>> the HDB-DOS offset. Just run PART2.BAS or MODPLAY.BAS
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, since you've now ventured into Vcc, you're in my realm :-)
>>> Just as an experiment due to all the traffic in this thread, I decided to
> give
>> this a shot.
>>> Loaded Vcc 1.4.3bFSTEST  (new version Aaron posted a few days ago, version
>> should not really ,matter though Luis's default NOS9 on the image is for DW,
> so
>> I used Vcc 1.4.3b w/becker and Dw4)
>>>
>>> MPI slots loaded as:
>>> Slot 1 - ide.dll
>>> Slot 2 - Orch90.dll
>>> Slot 3 - harddrive.dll
>>> Slot 4 - FD-502.dll
>>>
>>> in "Cartridge / FD-502 Config"
>>> Uncheck "Clock at 0xFF50-51" (this is imperative, I missed this to start 
with
>> and could get nothing)
>>> Check "Disk Image / External Rom Image"
>>> In bottom right corner, click "Browse" and mount Luis's "hdblba.rom"
>>> Click "OK"
>>>
>>> Now in "Cartridge"
>>> Clcik "IDE Config"
>>> Make sure "Base Address 0xFF" is set to "50"
>>> Check "Clock at 0xFF70"
>>> Check "Clock is Read-Only"
>>> Clcik "IDE Master" and mount the "GlenesideIDE.img"
>>>
>>> Now hit "F9" twice (cold start, once "off" twice "on")
>>>
>>> You should now boot up in Luis's HDBLBA Menu Screen.
>>> Works for me.... I can run progrms in HDBDOS or boot to NitrOS9...
>>>
>>> My question would be;
>>> Is there more than one vhd image on the CF image? If so, how do I access the
>> other images. I have never used SuperIDE so I do not know the cmds.
>>> Also, can you load a second CF image into the "IDE Slave" slot? And if so,
> how
>> is it accessed?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Pierce
>>> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>>>
>>>
>>> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
>>> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
>>> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
>>> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
>>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>>> E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mark McDougall <msmcdoug at iinet.net.au>
>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 9:28 am
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] HDBDOS (IDE) & MESS (Coco2)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/03/2014 11:31 PM, Luis Antoniosi (CoCoDemus) wrote:
>>>
>>>> You should use either VCC (with superIDE)
>>>
>>> I can't find the menu that is supposed to be enabled via ide.dll.
>>>
>>> Using my HDBDOS rom image in the FD502 emulation doesn't work either
>>> (guessing that's not supposed to work either).
>>>
>>> Why is it so hard to get a hard drive running under emulation? All these
>>> emulator patches (aside from the HDBDOS virtual floppy offset of course)
>>> really shouldn't be necessary; technically they're just hacks and do nothing
>>> but cloud the issue. The CF images really should have a proper ATA header so
>>> that IDE support can be added to the emulators. We need to look at IDE
>>> support on other systems and borrow the format from them. The current
>>> situation is untenable. What a mess! :(
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
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