[Coco] Sierra games and DW
Bill Pierce
ooogalapasooo at aol.com
Wed Oct 9 22:09:09 EDT 2013
Charlie,
I did think of something else. What version of hdbdos are you loading?
If from the toolshed downloads it must be
hdbdw3cc3.bin or hdbdw3cc3.cas or hdbdw3cc3.wav
Or if from Cloud9's downloads
hdbcc3.wav
In other words
Bill Pierce
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
To: coco <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and DW
Charlie, I can't think of any thing that would cause this. Any version or format
of hdbdos should work.
If you have the latest game disk, you're running the same one I am as I just
downloaded it again to make sure.
Once nitros9 starts booting (and you said it starts) then the rom is no longer
in play (nos9 wipes that memory) and doesn't matter any more. You said you are
using the dw version of kq1 so that's right. just to verify that, my disk is
titled
kingsquest1_dw.dsk.
I can also boot all the sierra games as well.
Question, if it runs with the disk controller in, why do you need to run without
it? Just asking.
hdbdos is a "complete" rom in that it actually contains the RSDOS rom as well.
So loading it without a controller would be like having a controller without
having... a controller. I used to load RSDOS from cassette on my Coco 2 before I
got a disk drive (in the 80s) so I could get some of the extra BASIC commands
that came with RSDOS that weren't "disk oriented" and it ran fine as long as I
didn't issue a disk command. So the actual controller has nothing to do with the
rom "just running". And with hdbdos's DRIVEON command, you ca't get to the
physical drives any way, which is how you should be running to access the KQ1_dw
disk.
As I said, I tried it both ways and it worked.
Hmmmm.... Just for comparison, try booting the "nos96809L2v030209coco3_dw.dsk"
and see if that boots without the controller. If not, then you may have some
sort of circuit or memory problem in the coco that by plugging in the
controller, it's correcting (or connecting) something (not a hardware tech
myself). Also, I don't know about KQ1, but I think KQ3 requires 512k of mem....
note sure though.
Just checked in Vcc.. All the KQ disks require 512k. With Vcc set at 128k, they
get to the nos9 start screen and never switch to graphics mode to start the
game. They just freeze.
That's all I know to tell ya. You definately have some sort of problem.
Bill Pierce
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-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Pelosi <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com>
To: coco list <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and DW
Thanks Bill.
That is strange then.. Nitros9.org/latest is where I downloaded it. In fact the
in the newest DW4 you can choose to load the images right from the site. You
don’t need to even have them local.
I tried that too. I don’t have HDBDOS on tape to try it loaded from cassette. My
coco tape player is stored away somewhere.
So then what could it be about having the HDBDOS rom in a rompak that would
cause the Nitros9 to stop booting? It seems to work fine when loading ML games
and all that... and its not the rom itself cause that works when its plugged in
a disk controller. Does something else need to be done to the rom?pcb in the
rompak besides just removing the game chip and soldering in a rom? I installed a
socket to easily swap roms...
It would be nice to have it work. Replacing the chip in a coco3 rompak is super
easy and would allow players to load and play the games with nothing but the DW
cable running to server.
Sent from Windows Mail
From: Bill Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:46 PM
To: coco at maltedmedia.com
Charlie, my disk drive is down for the count right now, so I load hdbdos from
cassette via PC headphone out using dosbox and casout.exe form Jeff Vavsour's
dos Coco emulator package.
Since you said it wouldn't work without the controller and mine was plugged in
though my drive is down, I shut it all down and removed the controller. I
started everything again and King's Quest 1 booted and run fine.
Did you get the latest version?
Everyone seems to think if it comes from the archives they're current but
they're not. Any Nitros9 oriented downloads should be done from the repository
downloads. There hasn't been too many dependable builds of Nitros9 in the past 5
years until recently. The only place to get the latest build is here.
http://www.nitros9.org/latest/
Bill Pierce
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-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Pelosi <chaspelosi at outlook.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and DW
Hi Bill. How did you load hdbdos? If you loaded it from disk it worked
because you have a physical disk controller plugged into the coco.
It works for me also when loaded from rom in disk controller or from disk.
I hope someone makes a DW version of these games that do not require the
physical controller.
Kind of odd to have DW versions of a game require exactly the hardware we
are trying not to use. :)
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From: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 8:07 PM
To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Subject: Re: [Coco] Sierra games and DW
>
> Charlie,
> I just inserted the latest King's Quest 1 disk into DW4 slot 0, loaded
> hdbdos (no rom),
> and typed DOS <enter> (all from a cold start)
> It booted, loaded, run, and I am playing it :-)
>
> I'm running a Coco 3, 1 meg mem, hdbdos v1.4, dw4 v4.3.3o
>
>
> Did you get the latest version of KQ 1? There were some problems with
> older builds as the bootfiles were not right.
> Get the latest version here:
>
> http://www.nitros9.org/latest/
>
> If you got the disk from one of the archives, it's probably got a bad
> boot.
> I'm going to update the files on The Color Computer Archives as I know
> they're not up to date.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Bill Pierce
> My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> Co-Webmaster of The TRS-80 Color Computer Archive
> http://www.colorcomputerarchive.com/
> Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Pelosi <chaspelosi at outlook.com>
> To: coco list <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 7:28 pm
> Subject: [Coco] Sierra games and DW
>
>
> I'm having trouble emailing the list I think because my reply address for
> my
> Microsoft account is a different alias than the primary I have subscribed
> to the
> list...
> Hello.
>
> I am trying to play The King's Quest games with a coco3 and drivewire4.
>
> I downloaded KingsQuest1_dw.dsk from http://www.nitros9.org/latest/
> I have a rompak in a COCO3 that has HDB-DOS 1.4 DW3 COCO 3 (Ive tried 1.2
> also)
> I am using the very latest DW4 in Windows.
>
> When I mount the KingsQuest1_dw.dsk in drive 0 and type DOS to start
> Nitros9
> starts to boot.
> When it gets to i2xoC and then the coco just hangs sitting there forever
> doing
> nothing.
>
> Any ideas on what is wrong or how to get this to work?
>
> I tried to send the above earlier and it didn't work. But that worked out
> because in the meantime I discovered something.
>
> If I move the rom chip to an actual FD502 controller the boot gets past
> i2xoC
> and the game starts.
> So I would guess because Nitros9 is loading a driver or looking for the
> disk
> hardware.
> So is there a version that doesn't do that so that people loading from a
> simple
> rompak or even tape can boot these games with DW and enjoy them?
>
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