[Coco] FW: My 6809 Computer is Working!
Kip Koon
computerdoc at sc.rr.com
Thu Jul 26 22:06:24 EDT 2012
Thanks guys. Your very kind words mean quite a bit coming from fellow 8-bit
Microprocessor enthusiasts like yourselves, especially when you've published
your work on the internet. I'm looking forward to seeing what fascinating
microcomputer designs you guys come up with next. I pray blessings on all
your efforts.
Kip
From: Paulo Lindoso
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] FW: My 6809 Computer is Working!
Absolutely!
These days i get happy just to spare 10 minutes to READ the list... ! (and
post an odd useless remark ;) )
Cheers
Em 26/07/2012 03:17, "Erturk Kocalar" <erturkk at kocalar.com> escreveu:
> Hi Kip,
>
> I envy you soo much. You can find time to work on fun projects and
> keep us upto date. Keep on going.
>
> It's depressing for me but I'm happy to read your adventures ;)
>
> Good luck,
> Erturk (Simon6809 and Simon6809 Turbo ;))
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 25, 2012, at 6:59 PM, "Kip Koon" <computerdoc at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you so much for your suggestions. I was concerned about the
> > ACIA being so low in memory also made me think a about it before I built
it.
> > Since I had never built an 8-bit 6809 computer from scratch before
> > and
> this
> > one had been designed and built with a nongraphic version of Tandy's
> > Extended Color Basic in it that was the clincher. I cut my post
> > college computer learning years on Tandy's Color Computers. At one
> > time I had a Coco1, 2 and 3 with 4 floppy drives and a 20BM MFM hard
> > drive too. I thoroughly enjoyed that computer. So to make a long
> > story short, I
> figured
> > I could alter the placement of the I/O later once I get my
> > proverbial
> tooth
> > cut building Grant's 6-chip 6809 computer to the $FFxx region.
> >
> >
> >
> > In my next project I'll be building SiMon6809 which has a USB port
> placed at
> > $D000 which for me is still too low. The link to Simon6809 appears
> below:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.8bitforce.com/simon6809/
> >
> >
> >
> > But after it is working , I'll be moving that USB port up to the
> > $FFxx region or maybe the $Exxx like SWTPC computers. I'm not sure
> > yet. Maybe eventually I could create a dual memory map version.
> > That could be a
> very
> > interesting but complex learning experience. I'd definitely create
> > some more wrinkles in my brain working on it. J I'm waiting on some
> > supplies,
> so
> > it could be a little while. In the meantime, I'll be brushing up on
> > my decoding logic as it applies to 8-bit microprocessor
> > applications. This
> is
> > so much fun. The modern chips we have available make implementation
> > so
> much
> > nicer.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have never used Flex9 or even 6800 Flex, so I never really
> > considered
> it.
> > I'll have to look into it. I'd like to upgrade the next version
> > with a
> DMA
> > Floppy disk controller so I can run disk-based OSs Flex, OS-9 and
> NitrOS-9
> > and Uniflex. I'm game for it all. It will be like old times, but
> better.
> > Isn't dreaming FUN?! Let me go for now. I'll keep you all up to
> > date as things progress.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kip
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com
> > [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of John Kent
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:17 AM
> > To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] FW: My 6809 Computer is Working!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kip,
> >
> >
> >
> > You could add a floppy disk controller to it.
> >
> > I tend to follow the South West Technical Products Computer 6809
> > memory
> map
> > in my FPGA designs as it allows for more contiguous RAM.
> >
> > The SWTPc has RAM mapped from $0000 to $DFFF, giving 56K of RAM.
> >
> > $E000 - $EFFF is used for I/O. Typically I/O is mapped in 10 x 16
> > bytes slots.
> >
> > They have 10 slots because they use a decade decoder (74LS42 ?)
> >
> > $F000 - $F7FF can be used for EPROM such as one of the OS9 boot ROMs.
> >
> > It can also be used for a DMA Floppy disk controller.
> >
> > $F800 - $FFFF is used for a Boot ROM, such as SBUG.
> >
> > It's also used for an OS9 boot ROM if you want to run OS9.
> >
> > Some of the SWTPC boards use a 16 byte write only register file
> > mapped at
> > $FFF0 to $FFFF to map in up to 1MB of RAM in 4Kbyte blocks. The
> > extra
> memory
> > can be used for running OS9 level 2 if you can get hold of it or
> > UniFlex, although that might need a DMA Floppy disk controller.
> >
> >
> >
> > The SWTPc memory map is more intended for running the Flex disk
> > operating system, so that things like BASIC and so on can be loaded
> > off floppy disk into memory.
> >
> > I'm not sure if it's possible to design a hybrid SWTPc that also
> > supports CoCo hardware as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kip, you'd be better off using $E000 for I/O rather than $A000 as
> > that
> would
> > give you more continuous RAM.
> >
> > On the SWTPC Flex9 sits at $C000 - $DFFF where you have the ROMed
> > Basic interpreter. If you have that as RAM, you might be able to
> > read the BASIC ROM from an I/O location and copy it into RAM. You
> > could have two
> >
> > 8 bit latches/ D flip flops (74LS374s) at an I/O location somewhere
> > that you write the address to and read the contents of the ROM back
> > and write
> it
> > into RAM.
> >
> >
> >
> > To run Flex9 you need a floppy disk controller (or an IDE drive) a
> > 6850
> ACIA
> > at $E000-$E00F and that's about it. There is a lot for free Flex9
> software
> > out there.
> >
> >
> >
> > It's a bit off the topic for the CoCo list sorry. A CoCo 1 or 2
> > wouldn't
> be
> > too hard to build. the 32K SRAM chips out of a 486 cache have a 20 -
> 25nsec
> > access time, so you wouldn't need a SAM to interleave the CPU with
> > the
> VDG
> > for video accesses.
> >
> >
> >
> > John.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23/07/2012 11:26 AM, Juan Castro wrote:
> >
> >> Suggestion: external clock circuitry so the much more ubiquitous
> >> 6809E
> >
> >> can be used. (If the lack of MRDY won't screw up with your
> >
> >> multiprocessing
> >
> >> ideas.)
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Juan
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Kip Koon < <mailto:
> computerdoc at sc.rr.com>
> > computerdoc at sc.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>> Hello Everybody,
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I'd like to report that I finally got Grant's 6-chip 6809 computer
> > working!
> >
> >>> It is so wonderful to actually build your own computer from
> >>> scratch
> >
> >>> and see your creation come to life and display "Hello World" which
> >>> is
> >
> >>> actually the first program I typed in. J It's kind of tradition
> >
> >>> anyway. I've seen several small microprocessor projects on the
> >
> >>> internet being demoed with the standard "Hello World" message. It
> >
> >>> was my first C++ program years ago anyway.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I built the first version of my 6809 computer exactly like Grant's
> >
> >>> 6-chip
> >
> >>> 6809 computer with exactly the same memory map as shown below. It
> >>> has
> >
> >>> 32KB of ram at $0000 to $7FFF with the 16KB eprom at $C000 to
> >>> $FFFF
> >
> >>> programmed with Grant's 6809 Extended Basic. The Basic
> >>> Interpreter
> >
> >>> actually starts at $DB00, so there is a lot of empty eprom space
> >
> >>> leftover for some type of monitor - 6.75KB I believe.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> The initial memory map is as follows:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $0000
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> | 32KB RAM
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $7FFF
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $8000
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> | 8KB Unused
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $9FFF
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $A000
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> | 8KB I/O Space: MC68B50 ACIA chip is addressed at
> > $A000-$A001
> >
> >>> (Address Bus is not fully decoded. The ACIA appears throughout
> >>> the
> >
> >>> $A000-$BFFF address space.)
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $BFFF
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $C000
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> | 16KB EPROM programmed with 6809 Extended Basic
beginning
> > at
> >
> >>> $DB00.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $FFFF
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Well the obvious next step is to extend the ram up to the
> >>> indicated
> >
> >>> $9FFF limit in the design. So I did! I had a small supply of
> >>> 32KB
> >
> >>> ram chips I had robbed from an old 486 motherboard not knowing at
> >>> the
> >
> >>> time that they were 32KB ram chips. Was I surprised when I looked
> >
> >>> them up on the internet.
> >
> >>> I used one for the initial 32KB of ram and added a second one at
> >
> >>> $8000 - $9FFF for another 8KB of ram. Obviously I just used part
> >>> of
> >
> >>> the second 32KB ram chip. Later on, I plan to use more after I
> >
> >>> rearrange the I/O space.
> >
> >>> Now
> >
> >>> my little 6809 computer has 40KB of ram space located from
> >
> >>> $0000-$9FFF! So the memory map is modified as follows:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $0000
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> | 40KB RAM
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $9FFF
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $A000
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> | 8KB I/O Space: MC68B50 ACIA chip is addressed at
> > $A000-$A001
> >
> >>> (Address Bus is not fully decoded. The ACIA appears throughout
> >>> the
> >
> >>> $A000-$BFFF address space.)
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $BFFF
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $C000
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> | 16KB EPROM programmed with 6809 Extended Basic
beginning
> > at
> >
> >>> $DB00.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $FFFF
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Then I added an MC68B21 PIA chip decoded to $A004 - $A007 and
> >
> >>> connected an
> >
> >>> AY-3-8910 Programmable Sound Generator Chip to the two ports of
> >>> the
> >
> >>> PIA chip. I was having some problems with the initial testing of
> >>> the
> >
> >>> PIA so I added two SN74LS244 Octal buffer chips each one connected
> >>> to
> >
> >>> 8 LEDs one to each port of the PIA so I could see what the two PIA
> ports
> > were doing.
> >
> >>> Well, every time I pressed the reset push button, the LEDS changed!
> >
> >>> I hadn't even written any code what so ever nor did any exist in
> >>> the
> >
> >>> eprom, so I knew something was wrong! As you all might have
> >>> guessed
> >
> >>> I had not fully decoded the PIA chip to just the $A000-$BFFF
> >>> address
> >
> >>> range yet! I had just decoded A3 - A0 address lines. A15 - A4
> >>> were
> >
> >>> never used. No wonder the PIA wouldn't work correctly! I
> >>> couldn't
> >
> >>> hardly believe I had made such a gross mistake. Therefore, the
> >>> PIA
> >
> >>> chip appeared everywhere in the 64KB address space. The funny and
> >
> >>> most interesting part was, the 6809 Extended Basic still
> >>> functioned
> >
> >>> perfectly! WOW! So now the memory map is updated thusly:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $0000
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> | 40KB RAM
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $9FFF
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $A000
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> | 8KB I/O Space: MC68B50 ACIA chip is addressed at
> > $A000-$A001
> >
> >>> (Address Bus is not fully decoded. The ACIA appears throughout
> >>> the
> >
> >>> $A000-$BFFF address space.)
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $BFFF MC68B21 PIA chip is addressed
> at
> >
> >>> $A004-$A007 (Address bus is definitely NOT fully decoded, yet. It
> >
> >>> appears everywhere. Oops.)
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $C000
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> | 16KB EPROM programmed with 6809 Extended Basic
beginning
> > at
> >
> >>> $DB00.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> $FFFF
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Although I can use the 6809 Extended Basic, I have yet to see the
> >
> >>> power on boot up message. I have to press reset a couple of times
> >
> >>> before I see the OK message prompt. Can Anyone tell me why? I
> >>> think
> >
> >>> a capacitor is missing between the reset button and ground, and if
> >>> so I
> > need a value for the cap.
> >
> >>> I've tried several resister values a 100uf and 0.1uf capacitor
> >>> values
> >
> >>> but nothing has worked so far regarding power on reset working
> >
> >>> correctly. The schematic for the initial version of Grant's
> >>> 6-chip
> >
> >>> 6809 computer is attached as a .png file. This is the schematic I
> > started my project with.
> >
> >>> I will eventually be adding my additions to a new version of the
> > schematic.
> >
> >>> I'm just not sure yet what I'll use to draw the schematic with.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I just received some more hook-up wire so I'll be fixing the
> >
> >>> addressing problem with the PIA. After that, testing the PIA chip
> should
> > be easy.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> My next addition which I am in the middle of adding to my 6809
> >
> >>> computer is a UM245R USB Prototype board from FTDI. Since the
> >>> FT245R
> >
> >>> chip is a ssop, they put it on a PCB with 24 legs so it will fit
> >>> on a
> >
> >>> breadboard prototyping design layout just like a real 24-pin chip.
> >>> I
> >
> >>> love it! As soon as it is hooked up, I will be programming an
> >>> eprom
> >
> >>> with the Simon6809 monitor
> >
> >>> program. Simon6809 communicates with the host PC through - you
> guessed
> > it
> >
> >>> - the USB port! I can hardly wait to see that working! You can
> >
> >>> google "Simon6809" for further information if you're interested.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> That's all for now with the continuing saga of my Home Brewed 6809
> >
> >>> computer.
> >
> >>> My little baby is growing. It's so exciting! Take care everyone.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Kip
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
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