[Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool: WIRED

Wed Dec 5 17:14:52 EST 2012

ah sorry, i misundertood your question. Yes, if you run it on a coco3
it will work. DW only replaces the disk basic not the super extended
basic.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Charlie <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I tried DW for coco2 on my coco3 and it seems to work great.
> I am loading it from disk, and it says Disk Extended Color Basic 1.1 just
> like my coco1.
> HDB-DOS 1.1D DW3 COCO 2
>
> My basic programs with WIDTH and BUTTON commands still work even though it
> said DECB1.1
> How is that working? Is it because the disk controller still plugged in has
> DECB2.1 ?
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Luis Antoniosi" <retrocanada76 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:10 AM
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool:
> WIRED
>
>> no. super extended basic commands only works on coco3.
>>
>> but for basic games the speed poke is very welcome ;)
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Charlie Pelosi <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cheating? :) well I couldn't stay away from the coco3 games either, so
>>> now I have both setup.
>>>
>>> Sorry for my ignorance here, but if I run HDB-dos for coco2 in a 3 will
>>> coco3 stuff still work? Like basic programs with the BUTTON command?
>>>
>>> Sorry for all my typos, I have the worlds smallest android phone and I've
>>> been regretting its contract for mire than a year now:)
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:47:36 GMT
>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool:
>>> WIRED
>>>
>>> But I like playing on a coco2 too because it's the real deal. There is
>>> a MC6847 on it although the image output is crap.
>>>
>>> The gime chip is like cheating...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Charlie Pelosi <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seriously? I had always thought the two computers worked differently.
>>>> Thanks! I give that a try. :)
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>>>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:42:14 GMT
>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New tool:
>>>> WIRED
>>>>
>>>> ouch I hates browsers that insist to loose focus....
>>>>
>>>> DW for Coco2 works fine on a coco3 and wont have speed poke at all.
>>>> Just load HDBDOSC2.BIN or (.WAV if you use cassete) on it and you're
>>>> done. Just don't forget to config DW to Coco2 speed too.
>>>>
>>>> Felipe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Luis Antoniosi
>>>> <retrocanada76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> DW
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Charlie Pelosi
>>>>> <chazbeenhad at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I play DECB games daily. Honestly, for most if my life. :)
>>>>>> I never used DW so much because I really don't like the highspeed mode
>>>>>> of the coco3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously it is a pain to poke normal speed before exec all the time.
>>>>>> For this reason I started using a coco2, and now a coco1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like a DW HDB-DOS for coco3 that ran at coco2 speed with no high
>>>>>> speed mode. It's more than fast enough for working with DECB games.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nitros9 is a fantastic OS that shows off that coco power. But if there
>>>>>> is a game for I'm glad they all come with self booting images ::)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Luis Antoniosi
>>>>>> Sent: 5 Dec 2012 15:09:03 GMT
>>>>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] Have no idea what to call it, but, it WAS New
>>>>>> tool: WIRED
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian, I am on very same position as you: family, kids, house, car,
>>>>>> dog, cat and bird. When I got the SuperIDE my first move was: to copy
>>>>>> DECB disks into it and I found out it was nearly impossible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First the Aaron's tool Sidewalk was broken. For this reason I made a
>>>>>> small command line tool to put and get disk from the CF card using the
>>>>>> PC. After a month, Aaron fixed his tool. The Sidewalk is great because
>>>>>> it has the GUI to browse all image but it still gets a lot of time to
>>>>>> read all the disks so I still use my command line tool which take a
>>>>>> second to write or get a disk on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The stock NitroOS-9 on superIDE does not access the RS-DOS drive (the
>>>>>> IH). Nor it has support for any of the sierra or VDG games. So I had
>>>>>> to learn a lot until I got a working copy of the nitros and manage to
>>>>>> solve the problem with the rbsuper descriptors. That was a lot of
>>>>>> learning curve. I do not have much time available on real hardware so
>>>>>> it took a lot of time for me. Even when I got the /IH working I found
>>>>>> out the pain it was copying from DW to it. Again I need to make a
>>>>>> BASIC09 tool for it. Also I had to figure out how to install a fresh
>>>>>> nitrOS-9 on a superIDE without a MPI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This what motivated me to make the WIRED tool. The Sidekick I did
>>>>>> because I was sick of typing commands and the coco basic doesn't like
>>>>>> typos, you made one you're screwed. Other BASIC like C-64 or even MSX
>>>>>> they have a free screen cursor, you can just return the cursor there
>>>>>> and fix it. But no my Coco. (hmmmm this gives me an idea!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then I realized: why nobody else did it before ? Maybe nobody
>>>>>> plays DECB games anymore ? Does everybody else use nitrOS-9 only ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just love DECB and all its games. I also love the 32 column screen.
>>>>>> I don't like using the 80 column display doesn't look like a coco for
>>>>>> me :P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Felipe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Brian Blake <random.rodder at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/4/2012 4:43 PM, Robert Gault wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Luis Antoniosi has demonstrated one approach which can handle
>>>>>>>> Drivewire
>>>>>>>> plus one type of HDBDOS; one ROM loaded to RAM, the second the
>>>>>>>> current ROM.
>>>>>>>> Extend it to a 16K ROM with the main package in the first half and
>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>> specific routines in the second half, and there just might be room
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> support all flavors of drives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aside from the difficulties and work needed to attempt this, the
>>>>>>>> requirement of a 16K ROM may make the concept Coco3 only. That would
>>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>>> desirable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd fully agree that you'd want to support all CoCo models - however,
>>>>>>> WHY
>>>>>>> would the move to a 16k ROM be CoCo3 only? Roger claimed CoCoNet
>>>>>>> would work
>>>>>>> an any CoCo and I believe it's on a 16k ROM. I've only used it on a
>>>>>>> CoCo 3
>>>>>>> so I don't know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not trying to be difficult, just want to understand...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As things stand right now, the point is moot for NitrOS-9 as you can
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> driver packages for any type hard drive and Drivewire co-existing in
>>>>>>>> OS9Boot. I have this currently going for my SCSI drives and
>>>>>>>> Drivewire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not everybody works in or wants to work in NitrOS-9. And really,
>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>> quite a few people who have no clue how to set this stuff up under
>>>>>>> NitrOS-9
>>>>>>> - myself included.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So this Super HDBDOS really is needed only for Disk Basic. Far as
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> goes, it is only needed to transfer files back and forth as Luis'
>>>>>>>> Wired does
>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I'm the only person who sees the utility in having your DOS be
>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>> see and access all the storage devices on the CoCo system, I don't
>>>>>>> know. For
>>>>>>> those who like to play their RS-DOS based games, I'd think being able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> copy files from your PC to help set up your SuperIDE in the easiest
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> possible would be a benefit. I know NitrOS-9 is powerful and can do
>>>>>>> lots of
>>>>>>> things RS-DOS cannot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, with three kids and a grand-daughter, working full time, and
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> house and cars to maintain, I personally do not have the time to
>>>>>>> learn how
>>>>>>> to set up a NitrOS-9 boot disk, decide what modules to add to it,
>>>>>>> learn all
>>>>>>> the methods of scripting and customization, etc... Yes, I'd LOVE to
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> these things, as well as learn to write BASIC programs better and
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> Assembly language as well. Right now, Disk Basic suits my needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, I'm not saying one person's needs outweighs the needs of the
>>>>>>> many - if
>>>>>>> I'm indeed the only person to see a need or the usefulness of these
>>>>>>> changes,
>>>>>>> then I probably should shut up. But, I'd imagine for people coming
>>>>>>> back to
>>>>>>> the CoCo, or those who have a new-found interest for whatever reason,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> first thing they are likely to see is a Disk Basic based OS like
>>>>>>> HDB-DOS or
>>>>>>> CoCoNet if they dive in and get a SuperIDE for a storage solution or
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> DrivePak if the new 'owner' follows through with his promises. These
>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>> would probably be greatly beneficial to these people - especially if
>>>>>>> Disk
>>>>>>> Basic is what they've used in the past.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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