[Coco] Software offer and Drive Pak solution

[Todd Wallace]

To throw another thing out there, I develop for the CoCo using Xcode on my mac. Xcode is an awesome development tool.  Granted it cant compile 6809 code, but for managing C source code, its quite nice.  I just use the OS9 CLI tool to do the actual compiling.  But I do the devleopment with Xcode.  I agree with the ppl who want to break out for the M$ windows dependant platforms.  Just my 2 pennies.

- Todd Wallace

On Sep 16, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Mark McDougall wrote:

> On 17/09/2010 4:03 AM, Frank Swygert wrote:
> 
>> I really hate all this stuff that uses Microsoft proprietary components
>> like the .NET frame work and Visual Studio.
> 
> I know exactly where you're coming from Frank, and I couldn't agree more.
> 
> At the risk of offending any Microsoft fanboyz out there, IMHO anyone who trumpets the benefits of the whole .NET, VS, C# whatever bloatware garbage development environment has lived a relatively sheltered life as far as development goes.
> 
> I suspect the majority of those use M$ exclusively and primarily for one particular type of development, be that desktop application, distributed web-aware applications, or other boring turnkey been-there done-that application. When you invest 8 hrs per day every day in using it, then it becomes less and less painful as the years pass.
> 
> OTOH, from the perspective of a developer who works on across a large number of platforms from PIC micros through to PCs and writing everything from embedded controllers through to linux/windows device drivers and 'desktop' applications, attempting development in M$ is one of the most painful experiences known to mankind.
> 
> Sure, fire up VS and with a "hello world" template you might have a basis for something in a few minutes. But try doing that on a machine with the Windows DDK, WDK, Platform SDK and VS all installed - and you want to port some existing code into that environment. Some of the problems hit you immediately, and it can take hours if not days just to get some "working" code compiling on your system. Conflicting headers is a great example. Cryptic compilation/link errors that take *hours* to find the one switch or header or whatever is another. What's this manifest garbage? What's all this managed bullshit? Just give me a frickin' exe I can run. Oh I need more DDLs? I can't run it from a network drive? Arrgghh!!!!
> 
> You may chuckle if you can resolve all these in seconds. But my job often necessitates doing quick, bare-bones testing/development on different platforms. I don't have TIME to spend 4 days on a program that would take 2 hours to write under any other environment. It's laughable until I find I have no other choice for a particular job.
> 
> So fanboyz, boast away that in three lines of code you can launch an editor, play a movie and pull a web page off the other side of the world. No matter that source tree is 34MB and your app requires half of the entire windows distribution in memory. And only runs on machines with .NET framework installed and flash player 14 and IE and the latest hotfixes and whose owners have a cat named Felix.
> 
> Bleh!
> 
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