[Coco] Any news on the so called CoCo4 or NextCoCo projectthatBjork was heading?

Mark Marlette mmarlette at frontiernet.net
Thu Oct 21 08:09:31 EDT 2010

Curtis can correct me if I am wrong but IIRC, there were only three TC-9s ever made.

I have one, Curtis I hope still has his, not sure who had the other Wes???

AT306, MM1, TC-9 and a Japanese based dual processor 6x09, in my collection. All functioning.

A guy in our local club had the FHL OSK machine, forget the name ATM, very expensive but VERY nice and FAST(68040), I think. Would be nice to collect that one as well. Would need another wall in the warehouse though. :)

FPGA = software loadable hardware......The best of both worlds, hands down.



----- Original Message -----
From: Little John <sales at gimechip.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:20:10 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Coco] Any news on the so called CoCo4 or NextCoCo	projectthatBjork was heading?

The TC-9 was a 6809 based machine. It was basically a CoCo 3 (GIME and all) 
but without the BASIC ROMs and the audio DAC was mapped differently. I don't 
think it went over too well - it was geared towards OS-9 L2 usage. It could 
be connected to one of the other FHL OS-K machines (was that the TC70?). 
Actually up to 14 TC-9's I think could be connected to the 68K machine and 
appear in it's memory map. I can't remember exactly - it was something like 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean" <badfrog at gmail.com>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Any news on the so called CoCo4 or NextCoCo 
projectthatBjork was heading?

I remember seeing the MM/1 at the '91 Rainbowfest in IL, and wanting
one.    I was just a poor high school student at the time.  If I was
in the position I am now, I'm absolutely sure I would have bought one.
 I remember being torn between the MM/1, and the other 68k boxes being
shown at that show - I think the TC-9 was one of them, was that Frank

Somewhat proof of my willingness for beta devices would be that I'm
still on the waiting list for a Pandora.  (www.openpandora.org).
Homebrew originated, taking much longer than promised, etc....

But I also have a netbook thanks to my job, and that works just fine
as an emulator box, and weighs a lot less than a CoCo.  So I would
agree that 'coco 4' hardware might be kind of silly.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Boisy G. Pitre <boisy at tee-boy.com> wrote:
> Aside from your stance on software emulation (I prefer an FPGA based 
> hardware solution), this is a great post and right on target. The MM/1 was 
> a dream that was just too laborious to realize, and several people sunk a 
> lot of effort only to realize little gain. The one who I believe was most 
> affected was the creator himself, Paul K. Ward. My understanding is that 
> he put a lot of his money on the MM/1 and ended up loosing it all, 
> including his marriage. Suppliers (including Microware, as I was told when 
> I worked there) got paid little or nothing from IMS. As tough a lesson as 
> it must have been for him, I admire that he did it. Trying to follow an 
> act like Tandy just felt like a loosing proposition at the time, but you 
> have to hand it to him.... he tried.
> I still have my old MM/1 VHS video that Paul shipped to me back in late 
> 1990. Holy cow, it's been 20 years already! I recently digitized it an 
> aside from some bad spots and skips, it's pretty watchable. I should put 
> it up on YouTube.
> Fast forward to now, and we have computational power that can emulate the 
> MM/1 40 times over. It's a different world now... a software world, where 
> hardware is a commodity. Building good software is enough of a job without 
> adding hardware to the mix.
> --
> Boisy G. Pitre
> http://www.tee-boy.com/
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Paul Fitch wrote:
>> I think the FPGA route is the only realistic method available to do this 
>> in
>> hardware. I'm just not that interested in a hardware project. Doing it in
>> emulation (the Coco4) however, has had me wishing very hard that I could
>> program at that level. I just don't see spending hundreds of dollars on
>> duplicating hardware that in most any matchup would be inferior to the 
>> stuff
>> found on every bargin basement Windows 7 starter computer available today
>> for under $400.00. And that's just the brand new stuff.
>> I would love to be able fire up VCC v2.0 and get a 1024 x 768, 64k color
>> screen under Uber-DECB or Nitros9 v3.0. With native USB awareness built 
>> in,
>> I would run it on my netbook, it would talk to my X-10 stuff, it would 
>> get
>> my email, I would surf the web.
>> The thing about that (now dead) Coco4 wishlist is it could all have been
>> realized two or three years ago fully in software, without the thousands 
>> of
>> hours necessary to design hardware to run it. Then finding the money to 
>> get
>> it into production, then the need to convince 50 or 60 or 100 people, out 
>> of
>> how many of us are there left these days, 400-500 tops, to buy it?
>> It reminds me so much of what the MM/1 guys went thru. They spent their
>> dreams trying to get the hardware available at the time to live up to 
>> their
>> (and mine, and everyone elses) expectations. Today you don't need that
>> hardware headache. The hardware is here, it's a software problem.
>> I dearly wish someone would code a solution. I wish even more I had the
>> skills to do it myself.
>> I'm not interested in a hardware Coco4, but I would buy the emulation.

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