[Coco] Glenside IDE Controller Question...

Bob Devries devries.bob at gmail.com
Sun Oct 21 23:18:30 EDT 2007 

Randy, your command line for DSKINI should be:

DSKINI /D A: NitroOS_1.DSK

make sure you have the correct image file... i.e. the one that has ds40_1 in 
the filename.

The NitrOS9 boot disk must be in drive 0.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randy Just" <randyjust at comcast.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Glenside IDE Controller Question...


>
> I downloaded the files.  Things seem to be moving in a more positive 
> direction although I still
> haven't been able to boot from Nitros 09.
>
> At this time, I used your version of DSKINI.EXE to write a new disk.  When 
> trying to boot from
> a written copy of Disk 1 of Nitros 09, a whole bunch of the same patterns 
> get thrown up on the
> screen and things stop there.
>
> Your copy of RETRIEVE.EXE did allow me to actually read a coco disk for 
> the first time which is
> good.
>
> Unfortunately, I am still unable to boot from Nitros 09.  Once again I am 
> assuming I should be
> able to type DOS and boot from Disk 1.  Correct?
>
> At 06:45 PM 10/21/2007, you wrote:
>>Randy, I have sent you privately, a zip file with DSKINI.EXE and 
>>RETRIEVE.EXE which are the versions I use.
>>
>>You need to use the /D option, because the file you are using is a 
>>double-sided image.
>>
>>Hope it helps.
>>
>>--
>>Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>
>>Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>>the capacity to be his spokesman,
>>so that I know how to help the weary.
>>
>>website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>>my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Just" <randyjust at comcast.net>
>>To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:36 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Coco] Glenside IDE Controller Question...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I am trying to copy the Nitros 09 system files from 
>>>http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/nitros9
>>>
>>>The file I am working with right now is 362K bytes.
>>>
>>>There are very few switches for the command.  If you have any 
>>>suggestions, let me know.
>>>
>>>At 05:58 PM 10/21/2007, you wrote:
>>>>Randy, what is the size of the file you're trying to write?
>>>>It should be ~158K if it is a single sided disk image. If it is larger, 
>>>>then you need extra switches to tell the programme to use both sides of 
>>>>the physical disk.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>>>
>>>>Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>>>>the capacity to be his spokesman,
>>>>so that I know how to help the weary.
>>>>
>>>>website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>>>>my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Just" <randyjust at comcast.net>
>>>>To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:53 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Coco] Glenside IDE Controller Question...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>DSKINI A: NitroOS_1.DSK where the long filename was renamed to this
>>>>>
>>>>>The file appears to be written out --- it just won't boot.
>>>>>
>>>>>I tried to do a RETRIEVE and was unable to read coco floppies from the 
>>>>>drive as well.  I
>>>>>have an assortment of drives here.  I have tried this on both a PC/XT 
>>>>>(yes, I have one of
>>>>>those still) and a PII.  Both systems are using DR-DOS.
>>>>>
>>>>>Randy
>>>>>
>>>>>At 05:25 PM 10/21/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>Randy,
>>>>>>with regards to DSKINI.EXE, please tell us *exactly* what your command 
>>>>>>line is. You may be (a) using the wrong version of that programme, or 
>>>>>>(b) using the wrong command line switches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>>>>>>the capacity to be his spokesman,
>>>>>>so that I know how to help the weary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>>>>>>my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Just" 
>>>>>><randyjust at comcast.net>
>>>>>>To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:16 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Coco] Glenside IDE Controller Question...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your notes are helpful, but....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Unfortunately, I have spent a number of hours with this thing and am 
>>>>>>>not much further than when I started.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In particular I am trying to create the pair of NitrOS 9 floppy 
>>>>>>>diskettes. I am assuming #1 is bootable
>>>>>>>if it is made correctly and I can just type DOS when the Coco boots 
>>>>>>>up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At this time, I just get read errors.  This is after trying 3 
>>>>>>>different 360K drives under DR-DOS.  I don't
>>>>>>>know if DR-DOS has any bearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The *.DSK images indicate 40 tracks --- however, when using dskini, 
>>>>>>>0-79 tracks are written.  Confused
>>>>>>>on that point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As much as I would like to use the Coco with the hard drive, it 
>>>>>>>appears this may be a futile endeavor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At 01:47 AM 10/20/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:07:24 -0700
>>>>>>>> >From: Randy Just <randyjust at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >After swapping out a few drives and changing my controller to a
>>>>>>>> >FD-501, the thing came to life.  While the IDE card was plugged in
>>>>>>>> >and power on, I changed the jumper to 70 from 50 and then the 
>>>>>>>> >thing
>>>>>>>> >starting working.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You really shouldn't change jumpers while things are on.  Talk like
>>>>>>>>that make me cringe.  Please don't terrify me, I've had a rough
>>>>>>>>day. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >I am a bit puzzled as I thought the floppy was at 70 and per the
>>>>>>>> >Glenside doc, the jumper should be in the 50 setting with a 
>>>>>>>> >multipak
>>>>>>>> >controller.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yeah, the Glenside docs kinda suck.  The dood threw them together, 
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>he clearly knew more about the IDE end then the CoCo end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >Is there a step-by-step procedure I can find somewhere to get a 
>>>>>>>> >boot
>>>>>>>> >diskette set-up where I can lformat the drive?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Also, I see the update files for the IDE controller, but what is 
>>>>>>>> >the
>>>>>>>> >process to get them copied to 5.25" floppy diskettes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>OK, frankly, you've got some homework to do.  First, goto
>>>>>>>>http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/nitros9 and download it.  The
>>>>>>>>Readme is a good introduction to transfering files and virtual disks
>>>>>>>>between CoCo and PC.  (besides, NitrOS is much improved over old
>>>>>>>>OS-9).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Once you have a standard floppy-only NitrOS boot, the only other
>>>>>>>>software you'll need is the Glenside drivers and utilities, 
>>>>>>>>BASIC-09,
>>>>>>>>and a good text editor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Run detect_ide.  Think about what it tells you.  How many partitions
>>>>>>>>are you going to create?  As I said before, 1-sector clusters are
>>>>>>>>good.  NitrOS can handle bigger clusters, but some of the old OS-9
>>>>>>>>software can cause problems because they all assume 1-sector
>>>>>>>>clusters.  Is the drive LBA compatible?  There's a bug in makedesc
>>>>>>>>concerning CHS partitions.  It's documented with the software on my
>>>>>>>>site and rtsi and maltedmedia but I didn't *fix* it in those files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There are two versions of the driver, one supports 5 partitions and
>>>>>>>>the other supports 11.  Choose which driver you will use.  I've had
>>>>>>>>much better luck with the drivers which have the zero-sector bug
>>>>>>>>fixed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Then run makedesc.  Something else not mentioned in the Glenside 
>>>>>>>>docs
>>>>>>>>is that device descriptor names are 3 chars. max.  Regular OS-9 
>>>>>>>>naming
>>>>>>>>convention for hard drives is H0, H1, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When you're done with makedesc you should have the device 
>>>>>>>>descriptors
>>>>>>>>saved on your disk as h0.dd or whatever.  Copy the descriptors into
>>>>>>>>NITROS9/6809LII/MODULES/RBF.  Copy the proper driver into the same
>>>>>>>>directory.  Note the file names.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In NITROS9/6809LII/BOOTLISTS, make a copy of standard.bl.  Call it
>>>>>>>>original.bl or whatever.  Edit standard.bl.  In the RBF section, add
>>>>>>>>the glenside driver and the descriptors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In ...6809LII/BOOTSCRIPTS, run the "mb" script to make a new 
>>>>>>>>bootdisk.
>>>>>>>>When that's done, use dsave to copy the files on disk 1 to your new
>>>>>>>>boot(use help to check the syntax of dsave, it has changed from the
>>>>>>>>original).  Add the glenside utilities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Reboot with your new boot disk.  If the gods are pleased it'll boot
>>>>>>>>and you can lformat /h0.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, this isn't the quickest or easiest way to make a new boot disk,
>>>>>>>>perhaps, but it's the way with the most control and the most
>>>>>>>>educational.  Once you understand all of this, then you can play 
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>ezgen or whatever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The last, and perhaps fussiest, step.  When you've copied stuff onto
>>>>>>>>/h0 and you're confident everything's working, you can make a new DD
>>>>>>>>descriptor.  Either use makedesc and be very careful to give it the
>>>>>>>>same parameters as H0, or edit a copy of your H0.dd with ded, 
>>>>>>>>changing
>>>>>>>>the name to DD (make sure the 0'th bit of the second "D" is set).
>>>>>>>>Make a new bootdisk, replacing dd_ds40 with your new dd_ide.  If you
>>>>>>>>can get this to work, it's the next best thing to having a IDE aware
>>>>>>>>boot ROM. When you boot NitrOS, it will load os9boot and cmds/grfdrv
>>>>>>>>off the floppy, then switch to the ide drive for everything else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Willard
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
>>>>>>>>Socorro, New Mexico, USA
>>>>>>>>"I've never been to Contempt!  Isn't that somewhere in New Mexico?"
>>>>>>>>    --- Yacko
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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