[Coco] Glenside IDE Controller Question...

Sun Oct 21 21:45:16 EDT 2007

Randy, I have sent you privately, a zip file with DSKINI.EXE and 
RETRIEVE.EXE which are the versions I use.

You need to use the /D option, because the file you are using is a 
double-sided image.

Hope it helps.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randy Just" <randyjust at comcast.net>
To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Coco] Glenside IDE Controller Question...

>
> I am trying to copy the Nitros 09 system files from 
> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/nitros9
>
> The file I am working with right now is 362K bytes.
>
> There are very few switches for the command.  If you have any suggestions, 
> let me know.
>
> At 05:58 PM 10/21/2007, you wrote:
>>Randy, what is the size of the file you're trying to write?
>>It should be ~158K if it is a single sided disk image. If it is larger, 
>>then you need extra switches to tell the programme to use both sides of 
>>the physical disk.
>>
>>--
>>Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>
>>Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>>the capacity to be his spokesman,
>>so that I know how to help the weary.
>>
>>website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>>my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Just" <randyjust at comcast.net>
>>To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:53 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Coco] Glenside IDE Controller Question...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>DSKINI A: NitroOS_1.DSK where the long filename was renamed to this
>>>
>>>The file appears to be written out --- it just won't boot.
>>>
>>>I tried to do a RETRIEVE and was unable to read coco floppies from the 
>>>drive as well.  I
>>>have an assortment of drives here.  I have tried this on both a PC/XT 
>>>(yes, I have one of
>>>those still) and a PII.  Both systems are using DR-DOS.
>>>
>>>Randy
>>>
>>>At 05:25 PM 10/21/2007, you wrote:
>>>>Randy,
>>>>with regards to DSKINI.EXE, please tell us *exactly* what your command 
>>>>line is. You may be (a) using the wrong version of that programme, or 
>>>>(b) using the wrong command line switches.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Regards, Bob Devries, Dalby, Queensland, Australia
>>>>
>>>>Isaiah 50:4 The sovereign Lord has given me
>>>>the capacity to be his spokesman,
>>>>so that I know how to help the weary.
>>>>
>>>>website: http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bdevasl
>>>>my blog: http://bdevries.invigorated.org/
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Just" <randyjust at comcast.net>
>>>>To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:16 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Coco] Glenside IDE Controller Question...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your notes are helpful, but....
>>>>>
>>>>>Unfortunately, I have spent a number of hours with this thing and am 
>>>>>not much further than when I started.
>>>>>
>>>>>In particular I am trying to create the pair of NitrOS 9 floppy 
>>>>>diskettes. I am assuming #1 is bootable
>>>>>if it is made correctly and I can just type DOS when the Coco boots up.
>>>>>
>>>>>At this time, I just get read errors.  This is after trying 3 different 
>>>>>360K drives under DR-DOS.  I don't
>>>>>know if DR-DOS has any bearing.
>>>>>
>>>>>The *.DSK images indicate 40 tracks --- however, when using dskini, 
>>>>>0-79 tracks are written.  Confused
>>>>>on that point.
>>>>>
>>>>>As much as I would like to use the Coco with the hard drive, it appears 
>>>>>this may be a futile endeavor.
>>>>>
>>>>>At 01:47 AM 10/20/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>> >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:07:24 -0700
>>>>>> >From: Randy Just <randyjust at comcast.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >After swapping out a few drives and changing my controller to a
>>>>>> >FD-501, the thing came to life.  While the IDE card was plugged in
>>>>>> >and power on, I changed the jumper to 70 from 50 and then the thing
>>>>>> >starting working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You really shouldn't change jumpers while things are on.  Talk like
>>>>>>that make me cringe.  Please don't terrify me, I've had a rough
>>>>>>day. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >I am a bit puzzled as I thought the floppy was at 70 and per the
>>>>>> >Glenside doc, the jumper should be in the 50 setting with a multipak
>>>>>> >controller.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, the Glenside docs kinda suck.  The dood threw them together, and
>>>>>>he clearly knew more about the IDE end then the CoCo end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Is there a step-by-step procedure I can find somewhere to get a boot
>>>>>> >diskette set-up where I can lformat the drive?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Also, I see the update files for the IDE controller, but what is the
>>>>>> >process to get them copied to 5.25" floppy diskettes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OK, frankly, you've got some homework to do.  First, goto
>>>>>>http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/nitros9 and download it.  The
>>>>>>Readme is a good introduction to transfering files and virtual disks
>>>>>>between CoCo and PC.  (besides, NitrOS is much improved over old
>>>>>>OS-9).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Once you have a standard floppy-only NitrOS boot, the only other
>>>>>>software you'll need is the Glenside drivers and utilities, BASIC-09,
>>>>>>and a good text editor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Run detect_ide.  Think about what it tells you.  How many partitions
>>>>>>are you going to create?  As I said before, 1-sector clusters are
>>>>>>good.  NitrOS can handle bigger clusters, but some of the old OS-9
>>>>>>software can cause problems because they all assume 1-sector
>>>>>>clusters.  Is the drive LBA compatible?  There's a bug in makedesc
>>>>>>concerning CHS partitions.  It's documented with the software on my
>>>>>>site and rtsi and maltedmedia but I didn't *fix* it in those files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are two versions of the driver, one supports 5 partitions and
>>>>>>the other supports 11.  Choose which driver you will use.  I've had
>>>>>>much better luck with the drivers which have the zero-sector bug
>>>>>>fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then run makedesc.  Something else not mentioned in the Glenside docs
>>>>>>is that device descriptor names are 3 chars. max.  Regular OS-9 naming
>>>>>>convention for hard drives is H0, H1, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When you're done with makedesc you should have the device descriptors
>>>>>>saved on your disk as h0.dd or whatever.  Copy the descriptors into
>>>>>>NITROS9/6809LII/MODULES/RBF.  Copy the proper driver into the same
>>>>>>directory.  Note the file names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In NITROS9/6809LII/BOOTLISTS, make a copy of standard.bl.  Call it
>>>>>>original.bl or whatever.  Edit standard.bl.  In the RBF section, add
>>>>>>the glenside driver and the descriptors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In ...6809LII/BOOTSCRIPTS, run the "mb" script to make a new bootdisk.
>>>>>>When that's done, use dsave to copy the files on disk 1 to your new
>>>>>>boot(use help to check the syntax of dsave, it has changed from the
>>>>>>original).  Add the glenside utilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Reboot with your new boot disk.  If the gods are pleased it'll boot
>>>>>>and you can lformat /h0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, this isn't the quickest or easiest way to make a new boot disk,
>>>>>>perhaps, but it's the way with the most control and the most
>>>>>>educational.  Once you understand all of this, then you can play with
>>>>>>ezgen or whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The last, and perhaps fussiest, step.  When you've copied stuff onto
>>>>>>/h0 and you're confident everything's working, you can make a new DD
>>>>>>descriptor.  Either use makedesc and be very careful to give it the
>>>>>>same parameters as H0, or edit a copy of your H0.dd with ded, changing
>>>>>>the name to DD (make sure the 0'th bit of the second "D" is set).
>>>>>>Make a new bootdisk, replacing dd_ds40 with your new dd_ide.  If you
>>>>>>can get this to work, it's the next best thing to having a IDE aware
>>>>>>boot ROM. When you boot NitrOS, it will load os9boot and cmds/grfdrv
>>>>>>off the floppy, then switch to the ide drive for everything else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Willard
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Willard Goosey  goosey at sdc.org
>>>>>>Socorro, New Mexico, USA
>>>>>>"I've never been to Contempt!  Isn't that somewhere in New Mexico?"
>>>>>>    --- Yacko
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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