[Coco] [Color Computer] The evolution of the Coco..

Glen VanDenBiggelaar glenvdb at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 22 15:49:19 EDT 2005



John, just to clairify what I am saying,
And I don't want to start a fight,
Probably about 90% of people who read this board, run MESS or some kind of 
Emulater on thier machines at home, This is why I think emulation is 
redundant and the cheap and "easy" way out.
I am not refuring to you as a "Fanboy" but 98% of Linux users out there are, 
and I can't open up a tech magazine, read a message board or even go up to a 
Tech site these day without having Linux cramed in my face. This has been 
going on for the last 3  to 5 years and Linux is no more popular then as it 
is now, but every day, I see all the propaganda for a movent that seems to 
be going nowhere. This is probably the number 1 reason why I won't touch 
Linux, because its becoming like a Religious cult.
Its not a knee jerk reaction, but just an opinion. I don't want to buy a 
Pick up truck, then try to emulate a Porche. I want the real thing. Thats 
why I won't use MESS, when I have a huge collection of real CoCo's around. 
Its like buying No-Name Beer. close too the real thing, but just a bit off.
I say just stick with nitrOS-9. It works, no need to putz with a second OS 
and an emulation program. Just use the real thing. If the market gets big 
enough, and Motorola sees the demand for them to make another run of chips, 
and its profitable to them, because they need no R&D, the will start making 
them again. Just look at the Z80, its still being used in printers and such 
today, its still a profitable chip, because companies are still buying it. 
If Motorola gets enough demand for a "new" 6809, they will make one.
-Glen

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>On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 12:46 -0600, Glen VanDenBiggelaar wrote:
> >
> > I have to kind of disagree with this, Mike does bring up a good point on
> > chip degridation, but an embeded computer solution with Mess, just seems 
>to
> > me the same thing as what most of you are doing now with the "big
> > computers". It seems redudant.
>
>What I described has never been done, therefore, not redundant...
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> > What Mark and Boisy are doing is the "pure
> > hobbiest" way of trying to make new hardware for the CoCo, not emulate.
> > Anybody can take the easy way out and emulate. It is trying to come up 
>with
> > new hardware is the way to the future.
>
>I'm not sure we disagree on this. I'm suggesting new hardware is the
>way, but I'm suggesting that it doesn't make a lot of sense to build a
>new computer around a CPU that is no longer manufactured, and is
>extremely slow. Perfect 8-bit instruction set, mind you... but we could
>do so much better these days.
>
>MESS or whatever would be the foundation of an emulation subsystem for
>coco 1,2,3 compatibility.
>
>Palm Pilots are an example: they started out with the Motorola
>Dragonball processors. Today they run ARM CPUs, with an emulation
>subsystem for compatibility. You can run all your old software on a
>modern Palm. That's the right way to move forward as an upgrade path, I
>think.
>
> >  Why go Linux? Why not just use true
> > OS-9 (or nitrOS-9)? I hate to start a flame war, but I see all too often 
>the
> > Linux "Fanboys" just looking for an excuse to parade Linux around.
>
>Fanboy? If you want to start a flamewar, throwing around epithets is a
>great way to do it. So my suggestion is... don't do it Glen.
>
>Personally, I think Linux would be overkill for such an application. If
>you read what I said, it's that it COULD  be done, my intent being as a
>proof of concept, or development platform
>
> > This is
> > not a atack on Linux (or anybody in particular), but there are far too 
>many
> > people just acheing for a reason to shove Linux in our faces (and MESS 
>too,
> > for that Point).
>
>You're not seeing my point. The point is not an emulator. The point is a
>a new coco4 with an emulator subsystem for compatibility.
>
> > JMHO
>
>I don't see anything humble about it. Humble would be without the
>epithets. But hopefully my idea is clearer now. I don't expect
>agreement, it's just an idea. But knee jerk reactions and inflammatory
>language are not helpful.
>
>-- John.
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