[Coco] Re: Coco Digest, Vol 10, Issue 76
farna at att.net
farna at att.net
Wed Aug 18 06:49:17 EDT 2004
No, not when they realize that if they do, they GO!! ;>
Seriously, you just have to make sure they understand that some things are off limits. I already told my wife of 8 years (or is that 9?) that my Rambler has much more seniority than she does. When she points out that I just built this one since we've been married, I point out that the one I sold just before building this one I had for 14 years, and that's transferrable!! ;> She only complained when I had the CoCo hobby AND the Rambler (old car) hobby trying to go full blast at the same time. The complaint was no time to do anything else. She was right, and I had to let the CoCo go since I needed a more modern computer for other things. Sometimes I miss playing with it, but decided to let my equipment go to those who would still enjoy it rather than put it all up. I saved a couple machines just for kicks though. One of these days I'll show my grand kids (when I get them!!) what a "real computer" used to look like! I saved quite a few books on home computers -- generic ones that show/describe many of them. I hate finding an old Rambler that needs saving only to be told "I'm gonna fix that up one day" or "I'm saving it for my kids/grandkids", who are 6-7 at the time and probably won't be interested in it when they get old enough -- if there's enough not rusted away to fix!! Most rust away until they are worthless or get towed to the junkyard. Rarely is anything actually done with one! I didn't want my customized CoCos to be like that, not when someone really wanted them. They might be that way now, but at least I had enough sense to pass them on for a few more years use!!
--
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*Elite* publication for those
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history,performance,restoration,etc
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> 1. Re: Re: archive posted - PC<->CoCo RS232 info (KnudsenMJ at aol.com)
> 2. Re: Re: Supercomm: more details (KnudsenMJ at aol.com)
> 3. Re: Re: The CoCo Cafe (Roger Taylor)
> 4. Re: Re: [Color Computer] Rainbow March 85 (Kevin Diggs)
> 5. Re: coco chat (Roger Taylor)
> 6. Re: coco chat (Mannequin*)
> 7. Re: coco chat (Roger Taylor)
> 8. OS-9 mention - Federation II online game (Allen Huffman)
> 9. Re: Re: FD-205 2nd drive bug ?? (Willard Goosey)
> 10. Building Nitros-9 under Linux (Benoit Bleau)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:38:59 EDT
> From: KnudsenMJ at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: archive posted - PC<->CoCo RS232 info
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
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> In a message dated 8/16/04 7:45:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wb8tyw at qsl.net
> writes:
>
> > > Anyway, it looks like the CD line at the CoCo end is the one left
> hanging. I
> > > have another diagram for connecting to a modem which shows CD connected
> to
> > pins 20, 6 and 8 of a DB25.
> >
> > If that is intended for a null modem connection to a terminal or another
> > computer, then that is the correct wiring.
>
> Yes, this feeds the other computer or terminal's DSR and DTR to Coco's CD,
> which is probably the simplest and best, since DSR and DTR will always be on
> when that other device is powered up and ready to run.
>
> > If that is intended for a connection to an external modem, then the
> > wiring is incorrect, and only pin 6 (DSR) of the modem should be
> > connected to the CD pin of the COCO, otherwise you have multiple outputs
> > shorted together, and that could be bad for the modem.
>
> The modem may still need DSR fed back to pin 8, if that's an input.
> And while connecting two outputs together means you've made a mistake,
> according to the official RS232 specs, RS232 driver gates are supposed to
> tolerate
> being crossed to as much as -15V or +15V, and certainly other RS232 signals.
>
> It won't work, but nothing should get the smoke let out of it.
>
> > The modem will likely require pin20 also be connected to pin6 as it is
> > not supposed to allow an outgoing connection with out it seeing a DTR
> > signal. See CCIT specifications.
>
> Yes, feed the modem's DSR back into its own DTR, since the Coco doesn't
> supply this signal.
>
> > It may be possible to OR the CD and DSR signals together with some
> > isolation hardware, but for the purpose of the COCO, the DSR line is
> > probably good enough.
>
> Actually, since a modem provides a true CD signal, that is what should go to
> CD of the Coco. But see below.
>
> > The BASIC ROM definitely requires the CD line to be asserted, or it will
> > not output more than one character, and then the I/O will hang waiting
> > for it.
>
> Strictly speaking, BASIC should require CD only when receiving data from the
> modem. But since these are full-duplex modems, the assumption must be that
> there is incoming carrier while we are sending data, too. BASIC seems to use CD
> as a DSR. That's probably OK.
>
> In fact, the whole RS232 handshaking scheme turned out to be more complex
> than the real world really needed, and in one sense Radio Shack should be
> commended for paring it down to its bare essentials. Though we mortals can get
> confused as to just what to throw out. --Mike K.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:39:00 EDT
> From: KnudsenMJ at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: Supercomm: more details
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Message-ID: <155.3c6b469a.2e52c9c4 at aol.com>
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>
> In a message dated 8/15/04 11:40:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wb8tyw at qsl.net
> writes:
>
> > A host computer is supposed to treat a loss of DCD or DSR as the
> > termination of the serial session.
>
> Yes, you're right -- loss of DCD should cause a computer to "log out" that
> session, and the modem relay goes "click" and hangs up the phone. My bad.
>
> There really isn't any signal to tell either end that valid data are now
> coming in, and there really isn't any need to -- as long as the data input lead
> idles in the "mark" level, no data bits are coming in. That's the beauty of
> asynchronous serila transmission -- hasn't changed since the early Teletype
> machines. --Mike K.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:48:12 -0500
> From: Roger Taylor
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: The CoCo Cafe
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040816212520.00ba8240 at pop.bayou.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 05:10 PM 8/16/2004, you wrote:
> > > The chat system is back up if anybody wants to give it a test.
> >For those of us who entered the conversation in the middle,
> >how about providing a URL with your invitation?
> >It sounds like you are putting in a lot of hard work, but for
> >what? The Yahoo! CoCo Group has a chat room:
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColorComputer/chat
> >Is there something wrong with that one? You have to register with
> >Yahoo! for "free" (if you don't mind a little extra spam.) You
> >need a Java plugin for your browser, but those are also free.
> >Is everyone else getting online **with their CoCos?** At 9600
> >baud or less? Now, that would be true dedication.
> >Is this a text-only chat room?
> >Thanks for your patience with my impertinent questions.
> >David
>
>
> Hey, David. Ok, let me try to answer your questions in order:
>
> The URL is www.CoCo3.com. I try to provide a central location for CoCo
> users to stay in touch and check out each other's online material.
>
> I've always worked hard on the web site since day 1, but I think it's been
> static for too long. I think that using commercial tools for live chat is
> okay but it's kinda hard for everybody to find these tools or even agree on
> the best one. I plan to customize our system based on feedback. That is,
> I'm building it for you and everyone else.
>
> I think it's safe to say that we own many types of computers other than
> just the CoCo, and that it's probably not a CoCo we're using to surf the
> web. However, I did start surfing the web and using e-mail from Disk BASIC
> using the Ultimaterm comm program back in the late 80's. I was loaned a
> college account from a younger friend, and I used PINE and WWW to reach out
> and touch the world from my little CoCo. I did this for years. Everything
> was all text, ofcourse. Then, they dropped shell accounts at my local ISP.
>
> The CoCo3.com chat system uses basic HTML to show the messages which are
> text-only for now. I might add smilies later. :)
>
>
> ----------
> Roger Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:41:12 -0700
> From: Kevin Diggs
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: [Color Computer] Rainbow March 85
> To: ColorComputer at yahoogroups.com, CoCoList for Color Computer
> Enthusiasts
> Message-ID: <41217048.9060201 at hypersurf.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm not married so I don't know. Will the XXs REALLY
> try to sell your toys?
>
> kevin
> >
> >>I like my coco stuff too much to sell anything that is
> >>not a duplicate out of my collection. Trust me she has
> >>tried a few times but I am too quick for her.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:02:19 -0500
> From: Roger Taylor
> Subject: Re: [Coco] coco chat
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040816214905.00ba80f8 at pop.bayou.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 07:43 PM 8/16/2004, you wrote:
> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:07:50 -0700 (PDT)
> >Robert Emery wrote:
> > > the chat rooms are working... a crowd is gathering in the Foyer...
>
>
> >Is that chat powered at all by Java?
>
> The chat script is 140k (as of tonight) of Pentium machine code compiled
> using HLA. It runs on the server only. About the only requirement so far
> is any ole web browser and the will to type a nickname and click Enter. :)
>
>
>
>
> ----------
> Roger Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:06:41 -0500
> From: Mannequin*
> Subject: Re: [Coco] coco chat
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Message-ID: <20040816220641.44c57075.mannslists at invigorated.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:02:19 -0500
> Roger Taylor wrote:
>
> > At 07:43 PM 8/16/2004, you wrote:
> > >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:07:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > >Robert Emery wrote:
> > > > the chat rooms are working... a crowd is gathering in the Foyer...
> >
> >
> > >Is that chat powered at all by Java?
> >
> > The chat script is 140k (as of tonight) of Pentium machine code compiled
> > using HLA. It runs on the server only. About the only requirement so far
> > is any ole web browser and the will to type a nickname and click Enter. :)
>
> Well, despite the fact that I don't have support for Java right now, I tried it
> anyway and it worked... so I guessed that it didn't have a bit of Java in it.
> Nice job, by the way. It worked really well. :)
>
> -M.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:21:58 -0500
> From: Roger Taylor
> Subject: Re: [Coco] coco chat
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040816221849.01f065a8 at pop.bayou.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 10:06 PM 8/16/2004, you wrote:
> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:02:19 -0500
> >Roger Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > At 07:43 PM 8/16/2004, you wrote:
> > > >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:07:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >Robert Emery wrote:
> > > > > the chat rooms are working... a crowd is gathering in the Foyer...
> > >
> > >
> > > >Is that chat powered at all by Java?
> > >
> > > The chat script is 140k (as of tonight) of Pentium machine code compiled
> > > using HLA. It runs on the server only. About the only requirement so far
> > > is any ole web browser and the will to type a nickname and click Enter. :)
> >
> >Well, despite the fact that I don't have support for Java right now, I
> >tried it
> >anyway and it worked... so I guessed that it didn't have a bit of Java in it.
> >Nice job, by the way. It worked really well. :)
>
> Thanks.
> Funny thing about Java, btw. It comes with Windows XP but it doesn't run
> everything. I had to install the Sun Java environment in order to run some
> of my faves.
>
>
>
> ----------
> Roger Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:51:16 -0500
> From: Allen Huffman
> Subject: [Coco] OS-9 mention - Federation II online game
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
> Message-ID: <12AED4A6-F009-11D8-9D3F-000A95983AB4 at pobox.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> http://www.ibgames.net/ibinfo/ibhistory.html
>
> Not sure how I ended up there, but I was searching for Federation II,
> an old text multi player game on GEnie that I recall being told it
> started on OS-9. Turns out, that was true -- this history page (and
> it's still online!!!) mentions OS-9 on the Atari ST!
>
> A
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:52:04 -0600
> From: Willard Goosey
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: FD-205 2nd drive bug ??
> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
> Message-ID: <200408170752.i7H7q4P1016097 at virgo.sdc.org>
>
> >From: "Charlie"
> >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:03:53 -0400
> >
> >I opened the drive case and checked. When I do a dir to either drive they
> >both spin, so I guess I'm good and have nothing to worry about.
>
> Sounds like you're good to go!
>
> >I like the PC 360K drive a whole lot more than the fd-502 drive only because
> >the PC drive makes some noise. The fd-502 drive is so quiet it is hard to
> >tell if it is doing anything sometimes!
>
> There is something reassuring about the *thunk* *thunk* of a healthy
> disk drive. :-)
>
> Willard
> --
> Willard Goosey goosey at sdc.org
> Socorro, New Mexico, USA
> "I've never been to Contempt! Isn't that somewhere in New Mexico?"
> --- Yacko
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:32:33 -0400
> From: "Benoit Bleau"
> Subject: [Coco] Building Nitros-9 under Linux
> To: "'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'"
> Message-ID: <20040817133234.MHDX24490.out014.verizon.net at opwvbbleau>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Boisy, Nitros9 guys...
>
> I've downloaded the nightly snapshot of the CVS repository, and tried to
> 'make' it on my linux box,
> but it failed, and was looking for a program called 'mamou' , which I
> suppose is a cross-assembler
> for the 6809/6309.
>
> This is my first attempt at doing this. Can you give me some pointers on how
> to do this?
> What are the required programs to compile Nitros9? Where can I get them?
>
> Boisy, you also mentioned that there's the Gshell source in the Nitros9
> source tree?
> Can you expand on this?
>
> Thanks Boisy/guys!
>
> -Ben
>
>
>
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