[Coco] Re: PayPal & Ebay guns
farna at att.net
farna at att.net
Tue Dec 30 11:06:47 EST 2003
There are gun auction sites on the web run by gun dealers who know all the
legal ramifications. It may be a morality issue with the guys at e-bay, but
more likely it's legal concerns. You can buy gun parts and accessories on e-
bay, just not complete guns themselves (no major parts like firing mechanisms
either, so you can't buy enough parts to assemble a gun). So someone else
gets some business other than the mega site e-bay. No problem.
I've used PayPal just about since they started. All the hype about PayPal
being bad is just so much BS. Is it possible to get scammed through PayPal?
Of course. That hasn't shut e-bay down, and you can get scammed there too. Or
through phone slales or any other medium. PayPal was able to recover $18 on a
$125 loss I had once from a dealer who didn't complete a transaction (I never
received product). I'm sure the money came from someone who paid him before
he had a chance to remove the money, and they may have lost too though.
That's unfortunate, but the account was frozen because of the complaint and
they did what they could. It happens sometimes. Out of nearly 100 e-
bay/PayPal transactions that's the only loss I've had.
To keep this CoCo related, there is no better place to buy used computer
equipment than e-bay, and PayPal makes the transactions easy. I let a couple
clubs know about my CoCo stuff first, but no one was real interested, so I
put it up on e-bay and got a decent price for it. I wasn't being outrageous
in the asking price, even a little lower than average, but at the time the
market witin the clubs was pretty flooded from people who'd bought a lot of
RS stuff when the CoCo was discontinued and from people leaving already. So
lots of stuff was available cheap. Now there is only one big club, Glenside.
I don't know if the Atlanta group (2nd largest at one time???) even holds
meetings anymore, or anyone else. I only hope that in a couple years there is
still a CoCoFest so I can go one last time when I get back from Korea.
--
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> 1. Re: Wikipedia in trouble (Neil Morrison)
> 2. Re: Wikipedia in trouble (Steve Ostrom)
> 3. Re: Louisiana (Neil Morrison)
> 4. Re: I DID NOT SAY THIS! Re: Need mailing address. (Gene Heskett)
> 5. Re: Louisiana (Roger Taylor)
> 6. Re: Re: Wikipedia in trouble (Gene Heskett)
> 7. Re: Re: Wikipedia in trouble (Gene Heskett)
> 8. Re: Louisiana (Gene Heskett)
> 9. Re: Louisiana (Gene Heskett)
> 10. Re: I DID NOT SAY THIS! Re: Need mailing address. (Neil Morrison)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:32:52 -0800
> From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at hotpop.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Wikipedia in trouble
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <00ce01c3ce85$bc5ba240$1ec074ce at bc.hsia.telus.net>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ostro011" <ostro011 at umn.edu>
>
>
> > Whoa !! "Total control of your bank accounts"??? They do have the
> bank
> > account information for funds transfer, same as credit card
> companies do
> > when you pay your credit card bills electronically, but the PayPal
> user has
> > to request the transfer.
> >
> > Also, by quoting internet comments, "41,300 hits", you can prove
> just about
> > anything you want to. I am interested in your personal experience
> with
> > PayPal. Do you, yourself, have any horror stories, or are you just
> passing
> > on rumors?
> >
> > My experience has been positive, but if enough people on this list
> have had
> > problems with PayPal, I won't hesitate to dump them if I feel I'm
> at risk.
> > So, Neil, what are your personal experiences with PayPal?
>
> I've been screwed over twice without recourse. I use PayPal as
> cautiously as I can. If I was using a public toilet and George
> Michael walked in I'd watch him too.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:53:46 -0600
> From: Steve Ostrom <Steven.M.Ostrom-1 at tc.umn.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Wikipedia in trouble
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <3FF0F6CA.5050708 at tc.umn.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
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>
>
> Neil Morrison wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "ostro011" <ostro011 at umn.edu>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Whoa !! "Total control of your bank accounts"??? They do have the
> >>
> >>
> >bank
> >
> >
> >>account information for funds transfer, same as credit card
> >>
> >>
> >companies do
> >
> >
> >>when you pay your credit card bills electronically, but the PayPal
> >>
> >>
> >user has
> >
> >
> >>to request the transfer.
> >>
> >>Also, by quoting internet comments, "41,300 hits", you can prove
> >>
> >>
> >just about
> >
> >
> >>anything you want to. I am interested in your personal experience
> >>
> >>
> >with
> >
> >
> >>PayPal. Do you, yourself, have any horror stories, or are you just
> >>
> >>
> >passing
> >
> >
> >>on rumors?
> >>
> >>My experience has been positive, but if enough people on this list
> >>
> >>
> >have had
> >
> >
> >>problems with PayPal, I won't hesitate to dump them if I feel I'm
> >>
> >>
> >at risk.
> >
> >
> >>So, Neil, what are your personal experiences with PayPal?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I've been screwed over twice without recourse. I use PayPal as
> >cautiously as I can. If I was using a public toilet and George
> >Michael walked in I'd watch him too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Was this the fault of PayPal or a scammer? Why didn't PayPal correct
> the problems if the problems were the fault of PayPal? What should we
> watch out for that trapped you? I'd love to get some details so that I
> can be wary or go another route. PayPal is just so big and well-used,
> and has been perfect for me for almost three years now. It's hard to
> believe that they would screw you and countless others and get a bad rap
> and still be in business. Can you elaborate on the above two disasters?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- Steve --
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:58:38 -0800
> From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at hotpop.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Louisiana
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <011c01c3ce89$d40bf260$1ec074ce at bc.hsia.telus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ward Griffiths" <wdg3rd at comcast.net>
>
> > Outback is simply an American steak house chain with a Theme. If
> there
> > aren't floaters listed on the menu, it isn't an Ausralian
> restaurant.
> > (And if there _are_ floaters listed on the menu, avoid the place --
> > Australians take good meat and treat it English-style, which is no
> way
> > to treat a steak if you still have teeth) (It's not the Aussies'
> fault,
> > they learned from the English and the English learned from the
> French).
>
> Aussie beef could be used to replace the heat shield tiles on the
> space shuttle. It's tougher than cement.
>
> Neil (ex Kiwi)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:34:11 -0500
> From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] I DID NOT SAY THIS! Re: Need mailing address.
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <200312292334.11853.gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Monday 29 December 2003 12:34, jimcox at miba51.com wrote:
> >I would just like to point out that I did not make the
> >original comment about Pay/Pal-ebay and the 2nd
> >amendment.
> >
> >I believe it was Gene who made the original remark and
> >someone atttributed it to me in a reply. So don't ask me
> >what this is all about.
> >
> >Jim
>
> Yeah, that was me. And, its almost as if someone is eavesdropping, I
> got a phishing message, supposedly from support at paypal.com just an
> hour ago.
>
> Now, please pay attention!
>
> THIS IS NOT FROM PAYPAL, ITS A PHISHING SPOOF. THE PROVIDED LINK SAYS
> ONE THING ON YOUR EMAIL AGENTS SCREEN, BUT THE LINK ITSELF GOES TO
> SOME UNRESOLVABLE 211.63.162.93 ADDRESS THAT PROBABLY HAS NO
> CONNECTION WHATSOEVER WITH PAYPAL.
>
> Sorry about the shouting, but I felt it was important to advise
> everyone that somebody is running whats called a "phishing
> expedition" against the paypal account & password database.
>
> I REPEAT, DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK!
>
> [snip the rest of the wikipedia thread]
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene
> AMD K6-III at 500mhz 320M
> Athlon1600XP at 1400mhz 512M
> 99.22% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
> Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message
> by Gene Heskett are:
> Copyright 2003 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:39:55 -0600
> From: Roger Taylor <rtaylor at bayou.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Louisiana
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031229223854.01ce06d8 at pop.bayou.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 07:58 PM 12/29/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Aussie beef could be used to replace the heat shield tiles on the
> >space shuttle. It's tougher than cement.
>
> But why?
>
> Nothing beats a medium juicy steak that melts in your mouth.
>
>
>
> ----------
> Roger Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:45:50 -0500
> From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: Wikipedia in trouble
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>,
> Roger Taylor <rtaylor at bayou.com>, Dave Kelly
> <daveekelly at earthlink.net>
> Message-ID: <200312292345.50667.gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Monday 29 December 2003 14:20, Roger Taylor wrote:
> >At 10:18 AM 12/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >>2nd admendment
> >>
> >>right to bear arms.
> >
> >I think Gene is from the South, as I am. Most of the South shares
> > the same opinion about this. I'm just not sure he meant to
> > directly relate a physical gun to the way PayPal and ebay have
> > become one company. :)
> >
> eBay will arbitrarily remove your auction submission if it has
> anything to do with weaponry, even if there are active bids on it at
> the time they discover it. They have gotten very take it or leave it
> in their attitudes. So I leave it. Whats so wrong with speaking
> with your wallet, lots of us do.
>
> However, not doing business with them, and standing by while some
> criminal attempts to hack their way into your account for the
> valuable info in it, is two entirely different things.
>
> And thats why I shouted at the list about it when I got that phishing
> message a little while ago. FWIW, when they wanted my CC numbers
> about 3 years ago? They never got them from me. I don't think they
> have them now and never will. To me thats basic security about my
> financial identity.
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene
> AMD K6-III at 500mhz 320M
> Athlon1600XP at 1400mhz 512M
> 99.22% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
> Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message
> by Gene Heskett are:
> Copyright 2003 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:03:08 -0500
> From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Re: Wikipedia in trouble
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <200312300003.08629.gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Monday 29 December 2003 15:33, Mark Marlette wrote:
> >At 12:43 PM 12/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >I have used PayPal since it started, never a problem.
> >
> >Top notch service for the price. I checked others at the time and
> > some of the services wanted up to 20% of the total transaction. So
> > I asked myself. Would I or someone else want to pay $20 on a $100
> > item to use a credit card? I wouldn't. PayPal is 3.5 or 4%!
> > Automated, secure as you want it to be. Meaning. Watch the people
> > that try and grab your PayPal account. Yes it has happened to me
> > but I never answered the Email, just sent it to their security
> > department.
> >
> >My $0.02
> >
> >Mark
> >Cloud-9
>
> See my previous post about a phishing message I got earlier this
> evening. Supposedly from paypal. Yeah, pigs fly too...
>
> [...]
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene
> AMD K6-III at 500mhz 320M
> Athlon1600XP at 1400mhz 512M
> 99.22% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
> Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message
> by Gene Heskett are:
> Copyright 2003 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:13:42 -0500
> From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Louisiana
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>,
> "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at hotpop.com>
> Message-ID: <200312300013.42311.gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Monday 29 December 2003 22:58, Neil Morrison wrote:
> >----- Original Message -----
> [...]
> >
> >Aussie beef could be used to replace the heat shield tiles on the
> >space shuttle. It's tougher than cement.
> >
> >Neil (ex Kiwi)
>
> Yes, I've heard that too, but like useing cement, wouldn't that blow
> the weight budget?
>
> Its already blown so bad they cannot do a polar orbit since the
> repairs required from the first blowup. Those throw away boosters
> gained too much weight with the new seals. Yes folks, its that
> critical.
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene
> AMD K6-III at 500mhz 320M
> Athlon1600XP at 1400mhz 512M
> 99.22% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
> Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message
> by Gene Heskett are:
> Copyright 2003 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:18:03 -0500
> From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] Louisiana
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>,
> Roger Taylor <rtaylor at bayou.com>
> Message-ID: <200312300018.03266.gene.heskett at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Monday 29 December 2003 23:39, Roger Taylor wrote:
> >At 07:58 PM 12/29/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >>Aussie beef could be used to replace the heat shield tiles on the
> >>space shuttle. It's tougher than cement.
> >
> >But why?
> >
> >Nothing beats a medium juicy steak that melts in your mouth.
>
> Right, but you have to drive all the way to Omaha, to Johnnies Steak
> House, smack in the middle of the stockyards to get it. You aren't
> all that welcome unless your boots have a little fresh, green stuff
> on them.
>
> Odd, maybe. But I've been there, done that. That steak was to die
> for.
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene
> AMD K6-III at 500mhz 320M
> Athlon1600XP at 1400mhz 512M
> 99.22% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
> Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message
> by Gene Heskett are:
> Copyright 2003 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:19:39 -0800
> From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr at hotpop.com>
> Subject: Re: [Coco] I DID NOT SAY THIS! Re: Need mailing address.
> To: <gene.heskett at verizon.net>, "CoCoList for Color Computer
> Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Message-ID: <018b01c3ce94$ded21f20$1ec074ce at bc.hsia.telus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>
> If I had a dollar for every one of those I have seen I could use that
> to pay my eBay bills.
>
> Neil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene Heskett" <gene.heskett at verizon.net>
>
> > Yeah, that was me. And, its almost as if someone is eavesdropping,
> I
> > got a phishing message, supposedly from support at paypal.com just an
> > hour ago.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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