[Coco] NitrOS9 question

David Ladd davidwladd at gmail.com
Sat Oct 7 19:22:48 EDT 2017


Tormod,

Thanks for the update.  Good to know.  I hadn't thought about checking the
bug tracker to see if it had been posted already.

I guess that is something we all should be doing to see if a problem we are
having has already been posted.


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On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Tormod Volden <lists.tormod at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Sorry I haven't read the whole thread, but the issue with too small
> OS9BOOT files is documented in the bug tracker, with explanation IIRC.
>
> Regards,
> Tormod
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Dave Philipsen <dave at davebiz.com> wrote:
> > Very interesting, David.  Thanks for the quick update.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >> On Oct 6, 2017, at 11:40 PM, David Ladd <davidwladd at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> To fix my booting issue I just added sysgo into the OS9Boot file to
> fill up
> >> some space (*shrug*) and works fine.  I know it doesn't make any sense,
> but
> >> maybe Robert, Curtis, Bill, or Bill can give some feedback on this.
> >>
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> >>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Dave Philipsen <dave at davebiz.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ok, so it’s larger than $4401.  I’d be curious to see what would
> happen if
> >>> you removed rb1773, d0, d1, and d2 from the bootfile.  That would
> probably
> >>> get it down below $4401 in size.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 8:19 PM, David Ladd <davidwladd at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave,
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is the directory from the root:
> >>>>
> >>>> {Term|02}/DD:dir -e
> >>>>
> >>>> Directory of .  2017/09/28 23:04
> >>>>
> >>>> Owner  Last modified   Attributes Sector Bytecount Name
> >>>> ----- ---------------- ---------- ------ --------- ----
> >>>> 0  2017/10/06 15:49  ------wr      13      485F OS9Boot
> >>>> 0  2017/10/06 15:49  d-ewrewr      5D       B20 CMDS
> >>>> 0  2017/10/06 15:49  d-ewrewr      66       1C0 SYS
> >>>> 0  2017/10/06 15:49  d-ewrewr      6F       100 DEFS
> >>>> 0  2017/09/28 21:12  ----r-wr      78       F00 ccbkrn
> >>>> 0  2017/09/28 21:12  --e-rewr      88       1FF sysgo
> >>>> 0  2017/09/28 21:01  ----r-wr     62D        F9 startup
> >>>> 0  2017/10/06 15:49  d-ewrewr     62F        60 NITROS9
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Dave Philipsen <dave at davebiz.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ok, so how big is the bootfile?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 4:15 PM, David Ladd <davidwladd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dave,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Since I can't test this on a CoCo3FPGA right now I did finally get
> my
> >>>>>> Deluxe RS232 Pak working.  I modified the make files for the
> NitrOS-9
> >>>>>> project and made myself a CoCoSDC headless that uses the sc6551
> driver
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> term modules.  Here is my short ident of my OS9Boot file.  I tested
> it
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> it does work and with the standard Shell+ as well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> {Term|02}/DD:ident os9boot -s
> >>>>>> 19 $C0 $FA063B . KrnP2
> >>>>>> 13 $C1 $FB10BD . IOMan
> >>>>>> 1 $C0 $9D910E . Init
> >>>>>> 37 $D1 $245E32 . RBF
> >>>>>> 2 $E1 $84C07C . RBSuper
> >>>>>> 22 $21 $230904 . llcocosdc
> >>>>>> 82 $F1 $DB0F90 . SD0
> >>>>>> 82 $F1 $081F95 . SD1
> >>>>>> 82 $F1 $F8621C . DD
> >>>>>> 1 $E1 $A4EB50 . rb1773
> >>>>>> 82 $F1 $045CD6 . D0
> >>>>>> 82 $F1 $803FAD . D1
> >>>>>> 82 $F1 $8C9A43 . D2
> >>>>>> 18 $D1 $55C62E . SCF
> >>>>>> 10 $E1 $67C110 . sc6551
> >>>>>> 83 $F1 $64212E . Term
> >>>>>> 5 $D1 $6F9717 . PipeMan
> >>>>>> 2 $E1 $895C5F . Piper
> >>>>>> 80 $F1 $D512FB . Pipe
> >>>>>> 9 $C1 $9A36A3 . Clock
> >>>>>> 1 $21 $5833D2 . Clock2
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Dave Philipsen <dave at davebiz.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would like to do some experiments with this on a real CoCo 3,
> too.
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>> using the CoCo3FPGA right now.  It's much easier for me to test
> things
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>> this platform because I have the ability to boot with an alternate
> >>>>> bootfile
> >>>>>>> just by holding down the ALT key while booting.  I can make
> changes to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> OS9Boot.1 file while still retaining the original OS9Boot file.
> Also,
> >>>>>>> because of Brett's bootloader, I don't have to do anything special
> to
> >>>>>>> generate the bootfile.  I just merge all of the modules needed and
> the
> >>>>>>> bootloader will load it no matter if it's fragmented or where it
> >>>>> resides on
> >>>>>>> the disk structure.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/6/2017 7:50 AM, Aaron Wolfe wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We ran into the same issue when creating the headless Drivewire
> disks
> >>>>> some
> >>>>>>>> years ago.  If the boot file became too small, things went badly.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately Boisy solved this in our case so I can't give you
> >>>>> specifics.
> >>>>>>>> Not sure if he still monitors this list, fairly sure he intended
> to
> >>>>> patch
> >>>>>>>> the nitros9 source to correct the bug. Perhaps the fix got lost or
> >>> was
> >>>>> not
> >>>>>>>> comprehensive.  In any case, I can confirm a third case where
> small
> >>>>> boot
> >>>>>>>> file became an issue in itself.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Aaron
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2017 8:35 AM, "Neal Crook" <foofoobedoo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In my mc09 l2 development I found a bug where a too - small
> bootfile
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> hang. Padding it fixed the problem. I will look out the details
> over
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> weekend and let you know, so we can see if our experiences tally.
> It
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> be good to know that it was a generic problem and not specific to
> my
> >>>>>>>> target
> >>>>>>>> hardware. I spent quite a lot of time in emulation trying to
> track it
> >>>>> down
> >>>>>>>> without success
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Neal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 6 Oct 2017 12:40, "Dave Philipsen" <dave at davebiz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Haha!  That doesn't work either.  But as soon as I re-assemble
> Term
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> 265 extra bytes in it, it boots just fine.  So it really does
> appear
> >>>>> to be
> >>>>>>>> an issue with size and not order.
> >>>>>>>
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