[Coco] FPGA VS Software Emulators

[Salvador Garcia]

Hi Brain,
Was the Xilinx CPLD dev board that you bought something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xilinx-XC9572XL-AMS-CPLD-development-learning-board-test-board-4-programm-LED-/311567009196


Thanks, Salvador




On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎July‎ ‎26‎, ‎2017‎ ‎09‎:‎34‎:‎27‎ ‎AM‎ ‎CDT, RETRO Innovations <go4retro at go4retro.com> wrote:

On 7/26/2017 1:54 AM, Walter Zambotti wrote:
> Where did all of you learn your FPGA programming skills?
I was where you were 5 years ago.  I could see that developing for 
microcontrollers would not allow me to support certain projects, so I 
decided to learn VHDL or Verilog.  I even bought an FPGA board to learn 
FPGAs.

And then it sat on the shelf for a few years.

The board was not cheap, and it bothered me that I had not done anything 
with it.

So, in 2015, I tried to determine why I had not gotten anywhere with the 
FPGA.  I realized that I learn things not by running sample programs 
("Hello World", et al), but by hooking things up to classic machines and 
doing real things.  And, interfacing the FPGA to classic machines was 
difficult (level translators, hard to physically wire the dev board up 
to my computers, etc.)  Verilog and VHDL was daunting as well, and the 
tooling was a challenge to learn.

Thus, I bought a small CPLD dev board, one from eBay with a xc9572xl on 
it.  It's a tiny board, with some pin headers ala Arduino, and had 5V 
tolerant IOs right off the board.  I bought a small programmer, dloaded 
the XIlinx tools, and quickly wired up a LED blinker and programmed the 
board.  Success.  That small success gave me enough push to continue to 
wade through the complexities of the tool, the language, and the hardware.

Next up was wiring up some LEDs to a "latch" that was decoded on the 
computer bus.  Then, by doing poke address,value, I got various LEDs lit up.

Along the way, I blew up the little CPLD board.  Felt bad about that for 
about 2 minutes, and then ordered a new one from eBay.  I burned 
$10.00.  If I had messed up my FPGA board, which I think was $170.00, 
I'd have felt bad a lot longer.

Eventually, I outgrew the dev board, and I am writing more complex HDL 
code (I chose Verilog, mainly because I'm pretty comfy with C, though 
others have noted that you can't assume logic flow works like C apps.)

I have never used a simulator, though iVerilog is a good choice, if you 
want to investigate and you're writing in Verilog.  I personally just 
like seeing actual output.

So, I highly recommend starting with the small CPLD ICs and working your 
way up.  I think it also fits the spirit of classic computing. Anecdotal 
evidence suggests developers who first worked on classic machines like 
the Coco handle systems with more resources better. Newer developers 
grew up in environments with gigabytes of RAM and gigahertz of CPU 
speeds, so they focus less on optimization and other related 
activities.  But, unlike PCs today, there are still reasons to optimize 
VHDL or Verilog, especially in this arena where there are limits to how 
many money people will invest in an FPGA solution that atatches to or 
replicates a classic machine.

Jim

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