[Coco] Cross Post from the Facebook Page about the RGB2VGA Board
Steve Batson
steve_batson at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 11 16:50:33 EDT 2015
Cool! Now when you get the resistors changed out, you will be very happy with the results I'm betting.
I had the same issue finding all the resistor values locally and have had to place several orders. I still have some coming that I need. Been stocking up so I don't have to wait when working on future projects.
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> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:14 PM, John B <trymyz at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Ok. I figured out what the issue was with the .jic. I was using the .jic
>> that some one one the mailing list created. I got them mixed up. When I
>> used Luis' .jic everything works fine.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:53 AM, John B <trymyz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Steve. Yeah something isnt right when I program the .jic vs .sof.
>>> Don't get me wrong it works, but it just doesnt show the test pattern. I
>>> will mess with it some more.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Steve Batson <
>>> steve at batsonphotography.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I had to copy everything from Luis' code I downloaded to a folder that
>>>> the software used and then use it to program the board. I don't recall the
>>>> steps, but it did work the first time I got my convert hard plugged in. And
>>>> yes, when the CoCo is off, it displays a default test pattern built in to
>>>> the FPGA software. When I turn the CoCo on, it goes to the CoCo screen.
>>>> Something doesn't sound right with what you are seeing though. You may have
>>>> to play with getting the FPGA programmed, those don't have anything to do
>>>> with the card.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 9:28 PM, John B <trymyz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting. When I used the .jic from Github I would no longer get the
>>>>> test pattern when the CoCo was off so I just compiled my own. Now it
>>>>> behaves just like the .sof.. The .jic from github would just display a
>>>>> previous CoCo image (somewhat garbled) when the power was off. Do you
>>>>> experience the same thing when the CoCo is off and the monitor is on?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Steve Batson <
>>>> steve at batsonphotography.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I used the .JIC file. Roger had issues with compiling the code and Luis
>>>>>> said it wasn't the same version and that the compiled version had some
>>>>>> fixes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 7:59 PM, John B <trymyz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still have the recommended resistor values from Luis' design.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately no one locally has the values you recommended so I am
>>>>>> placing
>>>>>>> my DigiKey order tonight. I will just create another board since I
>>>> have
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> spares. Then I can really compare the two. I have taken care of
>>>>>>> recommendations 1-3. I will pull that wire tonight. Also, did you
>>>> use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> .sof and/or .jic from Luis' Github page?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Steve Batson <
>>>>>> steve at batsonphotography.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you changed the resistors yet, or are you using the resistors
>>>>>>>> recommended for the design? I was seeing jitter, where the entire
>>>> screen
>>>>>>>> would jerk and occasional waves going through it mostly noticeable on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> edges. Also, it didn't seem consistent, sometimes it was worse than
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>> Based on what Roger had found, it sounded like there were a number of
>>>>>>>> issues being caused by the original resistor values. Voltage Levels
>>>> were
>>>>>>>> not what they should be. Also there was issues with the HSYNC and
>>>> VSYNC
>>>>>>>> again caused by original resistor values. Luis and posted on the FB
>>>>>> page a
>>>>>>>> response to one of my questions that some CoCo's are noisier than
>>>> others
>>>>>>>> and this may very well be true, but I'd guess symptoms could be
>>>> worse on
>>>>>>>> some systems then others which could be the combination of the CoCo
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Monitor. From discussions with Roger about this and how he fixed it,
>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> going to go out on a limb here and suggest that with his suggested
>>>>>> resistor
>>>>>>>> values, the video will most likely be crisp, clean and jitter free on
>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>> any CoCo and VGA monitor unless they have problems of their own.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was a bit of a pain in the butt pulling a bunch of resistors out
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> replacing them with Rogers suggested values, but I'd highly recommend
>>>>>> it if
>>>>>>>> you haven't done so already. It was totally worth it! If you have
>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>> replaced the resistors with the new values and are still having
>>>> issues,
>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>> suggest the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Inspect your board and make sure you have no possible shorts.
>>>> Clean
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> real good with alcohol or other good electronic board cleaner and
>>>>>>>> thoroughly dry.
>>>>>>>> 2) Check all the cables including power going to the board and make
>>>> sure
>>>>>>>> all is well
>>>>>>>> 3) Make sure the ribbon cable isn't right next to a transformer
>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>> the CoCo power power supply (thought I am not having issues even if
>>>> set
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> board right on top of the CoCo above the transformer). This probably
>>>> is
>>>>>> NOT
>>>>>>>> an issue.
>>>>>>>> 4) Remove wire I mentioned that was a ground fix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, let me know if you have changed the resistors yet or not. I'm
>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> curious to see where you are at.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 7:18 PM, John B <trymyz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tested the board out. The display comes out fine, colors display
>>>>>>>>> properly, etc. However, the edge of any line looks slightly wavy.
>>>>>>>> Hardly
>>>>>>>>> noticeable. This is more evident with graphics opposed to text. Of
>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>>> I played with the trim pot, but that only helped so much. Is this
>>>> what
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> experienced before u swapped the resistors?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Steve Batson <
>>>>>>>> steve at batsonphotography.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No problem, Roger deserves the credit all this work. I just
>>>> duplicated
>>>>>>>>>> what he did and putting info here hoping it's helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had no stock of resistors and trying to find just a few either
>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>> economical or easy. Needless to say, I've got a pretty good stock
>>>> now!
>>>>>>>>>> :D
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much Steve. I should be able to
>>>>>>>>>> test it out today. I will
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> report back either way. I might put my DigiKey order in anyway.
>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> never have too many resistors :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Steve Batson
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <steve at batsonphotography.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, the resistor from R7 to Pos 8 on the GPIO1 connector is what
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> referred to as Rx, that resistor should be 1.8K. The drawing on
>>>>>>>>>> Luis'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a jumper wire to fix a ground issue. If that jumper is in
>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> all the resistors in place, you will most likely have Jitter.
>>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> be no Jumper wires installed. The jumper Luis refers to is
>>>>>>>>>> between R21
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> R18. I'd only install that if Jitter is present with all the
>>>>>>>>>> resistor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> changes. If necessary, try it both ways, but on Roger and my
>>>>>>>>>> board it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't necessary. All of these changes were Roger's findings. I
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> duplicated his setup and it's awesome!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 10:22 PM, John B <trymyz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be testing it tomorrow. Thank you for the new
>>>>>>>>>> values.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything will work as intended. You refer to the
>>>>>>>>>> additional wires
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being needed. Is this the resistor from R7 to Position 8 on
>>>>>>>>>> GPIO1 and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wire between R18 and R21?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:56 AM, Steve Batson <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> steve at batsonphotography.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, this is Luis' RGB2VGA board used with the DENano
>>>>>>>>>> FPGA.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since you have just finished it, I'd test it out first
>>>>>>>>>> to see if you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any jitter or other problems. However Roger did a lot
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> investigation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found these values produce voltages in line with the VGA
>>>>>>>>>> Standard and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help the board properly sync from the CoCo output. I
>>>>>>>>>> don't have all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical details, I just know it worked for Roger and
>>>>>>>>>> works for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are what Roger came up with and I simply
>>>>>>>>>> duplicated what he
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> found.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the Variable resistor, he recommended a 10K Multi
>>>>>>>>>> Turn for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> finer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control when tuning for the best appearance. Another
>>>>>>>>>> thing to know is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are some additional wires recommended but they
>>>>>>>>>> were not needed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger's or my case and jitter did not go away until
>>>>>>>>>> removed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Top Left
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 82 Ohms - Grey-Red-Black-Gold-Brown
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R22
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R23
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R25
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * Bottom Left
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.2K Brown-Red-Black-Brown-Brown
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R18
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R19
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R21
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * Top Right 10
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R9 47
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R10 47
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 390 ohms
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R4
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R7
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 820 ohms
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R8
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.8K ohms
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R3
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R6
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rx (this is the resistor soldered to R7 and the GPIO1
>>>>>>>>>> Connector)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * Bottom Right
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2K Red-Black-Red-Gold
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R17
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R14
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R12
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R11
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1K Brown-Black-black-Brown-Brown
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R15
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R16
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:31 PM, John B
>>>>>>>>>> <trymyz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you referring to Luis' RGB2VGA board? The reason
>>>>>>>>>> I ask is I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literally
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (15 min ago) just finished assmebling my board. I
>>>>>>>>>> used the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> resistors
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outlined on his page under the
>>>>>>>>>> "Modifications" section.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/tandycocoloco/rgb2vga
>>>>>>>>>> Are those the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistors that produced the video jitter? If so, can
>>>>>>>>>> you give us
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values that fixed the issue?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Steve Batson
>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steve at batsonphotography.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I figured I'd post the following here too. Some
>>>>>>>>>> discussion occurred
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FB page, but a lot of discussion was done
>>>>>>>>>> between Roger and Myself
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as Roger made several discoveries that
>>>>>>>>>> stabilized some very
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jitter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with video.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RGB2VGA Stabilized!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First thanks to Felipe for a very cool Solution
>>>>>>>>>> to bring the CoCo3
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Modern VGA Monitors. Originally, I missed a
>>>>>>>>>> few resistors that I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought were optional and Felipe straightened me
>>>>>>>>>> out on those.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I was getting Jitter just like Roger was
>>>>>>>>>> experiencing. I had
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email discussions with Roger as he was doing
>>>>>>>>>> some research and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experimenting based on what he found about the
>>>>>>>>>> VGA standards and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing some resistor values stabilized the
>>>>>>>>>> output from his board.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much duplicated Roger's resistor values
>>>>>>>>>> on my board with the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exception of 4 that I'm waiting to come in, but
>>>>>>>>>> mine is crisp and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jitter is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone. I will most likely change those 4
>>>>>>>>>> resistors when the parts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless it doesn't make sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, Finally fantastic output on my VGA
>>>>>>>>>> monitor. Very Cool!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very Big thanks to Roger!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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