[Coco] DW & VCC

Sat Jan 24 07:05:02 EST 2015

Bill,

There are some people who think they know it all, want everything their
way,  and there's no way you'll ever make them happy. Personally, I prefer
to give my support to people who are actually making new products;
(hardware and software) extending the abilities of the CoCo. Not the ones
who complain about other people's hard work from a soapbox.

You're better off just ignoring the complainers.

For the record, I'm one of the guys responsible for 100's of mostly windows
PC's in an enterprise environment - UAC does me few favors at all - which
its why its disabled. Sometimes Microsoft's 'best practices' are a huge
roadblock to productivity. As the old adage goes,  there's morethan one way
to skin a cat. We have the appropriate security appliances and appropriate
software in place to guard our network and the proper permissions on user
accounts - UAC is not wanted or needed by me and 1000's in my field. Just
because it's on Microsoft's MSDN doesn't mean anyone requested it.

So instead of criticizing others hard work, and acting like the patron
saint of Microsoft Security, let's get back to CoCoing.... yes Stephen,
that was for you.
On Jan 23, 2015 10:21 PM, "Bill Pierce via Coco" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
wrote:

>
>
> Stephen, The Vcc Starter kit IS one installer that uses the standard Inno
> installer used by hundreds of thousands of programs (including Mercurial).
> It installs the programs, (all necessary) Vcc, DW 4, the Manuals, & the
> VHDs. All programs are installed to the "programs" folder as windows
> requires, and all others are installed to the "documents" folder as
> required by windows.If you had a problem, it was with YOUR system and not
> the installer. If you don't like it, DON'T USE IT.
> No one forced you to do anything, there were prompts explaining EXACTLY
> what is installed and options to change what and where it was installed.
> Not only that, the installer clearly shows the sizes of EVERY file before
> it installs them giving you multiple chances to cancel or omit anything you
> don't need or want. If it asked you for permission and you ddin't want to
> give it... then why did you?
> Then you complained about the size.... It clearly states the sizes on the
> website and that they are large. I also stated it in the release
> announcements when I released them.
> No one else has had the problems you had, at least not that I know of. I
> think there was one problem with getting dw4 connected and that was
> resolved. Everyone else that tried it had nothing but compliments. Had
> there been problems like you describe, I would've pulled them from my site
> to begin with. As it is, I'm getting ready to do a 2nd edition with updated
> files and expanding the kits to include the installers for the real Coco
> systems and not just the emulators.
> The "Starter Kit" was designed with those in mind who had NO knowledge of
> setting such a system up... A one install "turnkey" system that keeps a
> user from having to jump from website to website to find all the parts. I
> would think someone of your integrity wouldn't have needed it to start with
> since you already know more than most.
>
>
> Bill Pierce
> "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
>
>
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 23, 2015 9:06 pm
> Subject: Re: [Coco] DW & VCC
>
>
> It is actually worse.
>
> He is forcing others to turn UAC off if they want to use his work.
>
> The biggest problem is that it is all unnecessary.
>
> For example, the VCC / DW quick start package I downloaded ran an installer
> twice (Which I each had to give permission to continue).
>
> The only need was ONE installer for VCC which is what was needed before.
>
> I reversed the mess with system restore, but not completely.
>
> The third CoCo item on my list to do is to document where to put items
> like he
> is supplying.
>
> In reading my thread "Windows programming then and now" I realized that
> where to
> put items was not covered.
>
> http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=46
>
> Here are links to "Developer Best Practices and Guidelines for
> Applications in a
> Least Privileged Environment".
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480150.aspx
>
> There may be other interesting information here:
>
>
> Http://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/797208-welcome-myhd-windows-vista-w7-w8-w10-main-thread-9627016.html
>
> SHF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G4UGM" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
> To: "'Bill Pierce'" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>; <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] DW & VCC
>
>
> > Bill,
> >
> >
> >
> > It appears you do know what you are doing and why. However you advised
> folks
> > to turn UAC off without warning them of the consequences. I am fine with
> > folks turning UAC off if they really need to and know what they are
> doing. I
> > am not fine with folks turning UAC off because someone has told them it's
> > the only way to get something to work. Generally it is not, most here are
> > not running special music recording systems.
> >
> >
> >
> > Not sure BTW why you would need a copy of server, unless you need the
> extra
> > RAM support. Its pretty much the same as Vista/7/8. It now comes with
> > Indexing enabled, firewall on, auto update enabled, and perhaps
> surprisingly
> > UAC is also enabled by default. You would have to do much the same
> stripping
> > if that's what you needed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Bill Pierce [mailto:ooogalapasooo at aol.com]
> > Sent: 23 January 2015 17:37
> > To: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com; coco at maltedmedia.com
> > Subject: Re: [Coco] DW & VCC
> >
> >
> >
> > I sent this to Dave privately by mistake so I'm reposting it to the list:
> >
> > Dave, I understand what UAC is supposed to do, but it doesn't do it
> well. It
> > may work on the average user's system, but my system sees very little
> > "average" use.
> >
> > This computer is my main computer for my recording studio and to have to
> > screw with making sure directories and files have proper permissions can
> be
> > a big hassle and cost me money (in down time).
> >
> > I can't even have window's "Indexing" on or it can ruin a recording
> session
> > by trying to index a wav file while I'm playing 20-30 wav files and
> > recording another 8 wavs simultaneously. Then to have windows make "temp"
> > copies of these 25-250 meg files all over my system is ridiculous.
> >
> > In researching the pro audio recording techniques for digital computer
> > multitrack recording, EVERY producer/engineer/mixer/masterer advises that
> > all forms of UAC, indexing, and most security features be turned off
> (which
> > they do warn of the risk). All the pro audio computers sold by companies
> > specializing in pro audio systems (6,8,10,20 core systems in $3k - $10k
> > range) come configured this way. Basically, anything taking CPU time or
> > accessing drives while recording is shut off. When recording 8-16-24
> tracks
> > of individual uncompressed wavs simultaneously, the computer is taxed to
> the
> > max and sometimes beyond (AMD quad core).
> >
> > On my old system, I was running Win Server 2003 which was stripped to the
> > core. Since this system came with 64-bit Vista Home Premium and I
> couldn't
> > afford a new 64 bit Win Server installation, I stripped it down as much
> as
> > possible (Classic interface, none of the "pretty" translucent stuff, no
> > retail bull crap included with the install)
> >
> > I even make anyone in the studio while recording to turn off their cell
> > phones as even the cell phone doing an "auto update", not to mention
> > annoying calls, can cause RF interference and make the system "buzz" no
> > matter how much "RF filtering" I do. There's just too much sensitive
> digital
> > gear in the room all connected to the computer, from a 40 track mixing
> > console to 3 racks of digital processors/effects to MIDI controlled amps
> > etc.
> >
> > The last thing I need is to be recording the vocalist's 50th take (5-8
> hours
> > into recording at $25/hour) in which he's finally getting that one part
> > right and the recording glitches due to some "security" feature accessing
> > the drive in the background and have to tell the vocalist that it was a
> bad
> > take and he/she must do it again... I'd lose business quick and in a
> hurry.
> > Been there, done that, didn't even get a tie-died T-shirt, instead, I got
> > fired.
> >
> > I have run all my computers this way for 15 years and have only had 2
> > incidents of invasion and both were my fault.
> >
> > I have other means of protection that use much less of my computer's
> > resources and don't interrupt my system. And besides, my router has a
> > firewall, my Sat modem has a firewall, and my ISP has a firewall.... No
> need
> > to insult them :-)
> >
> > "Re-open doors they closed"? That's exactly what I intended to do. MS
> has a
> > tendency to close doors I need wide open.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Pierce
> >
> > "Today is a good day... I woke up" - Ritchie Havens
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> >
> > https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> >
> > Co-Contributor, Co-Editor for CocoPedia
> >
> > http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> >
> > E-Mail: ooogalapasooo at aol.com <mailto:ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave G4UGM <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com <mailto:dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> >
> > To: 'Bill Pierce' <ooogalapasooo at aol.com <mailto:ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> >;
> > 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts' <coco at maltedmedia.com
> > <mailto:coco at maltedmedia.com> >
> > Sent: Fri, Jan 23, 2015 11:34 am
> > Subject: RE: [Coco] DW & VCC
> >
> > "UAC is useless under those conditions."
> >
> > Actually UAC is really designed to protect people running as
> Administrator
> > with
> > a single account. If you PC is internet connected UAC will provide
> limited
> > protection against stuff you download running as administrator and
> > hi-jacking
> > your PC. If you can store data files outside "program files" then you
> won't
> > have
> > so many issues. If all the data is in a particular folder in "Program
> files"
> >
> > consider giving yourself permissions to the folder. You can also run
> things
> > from
> > an elevated command prompt.
> >
> > Simply turning off UAC re-opens the doors it closed.
> >
> > Dave
> > G4UGM
> >
> >
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