[Coco] NitrOS-9 L3 Code and Disk Images

Tue Oct 28 17:11:29 EDT 2014

Hey Bob,  was yours a complete boot?  I have downloaded it but haven’t tried it yet.  The one I got from Kip almost completes boot but not quite.  I am thinking he has a different clock in his setup.  I am going to take this on to disassemble it as I have done to the original Level 2 code to get Nitros9 working the first time.

Bill Nobel

> On Oct 27, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Bob Devries <devries.bob at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kip,
> 
> I have a file in my dropbox which is named os9L3.os9. I have checked it (again) and it is what I believe to be Alan DeKok's L3. I say that because it has files like NitrOS9, _end in the OS9Boot file.
> 
> Check it out here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c9ia3b1zi1zvzgo/OS9L3.os9?dl=0
> 
> I may have the source to the version of cc3Go you are referring to. I'll have to have a look for it.
> I don't think I ever had sources for the version of L3 which I have in my dropbox.
> 
> Regards, Bob Devries
> Dalby, QLD, Australia
> 
> On 28/10/2014 12:04 PM, Kip Koon wrote:
>> Hi Bob!
>> I did an ident and it was quite revealing.  Do you have full copies of this
>> version along with source code?  I'd like to see all of it if possible.  I
>> saw an ACIA module and on the surface it looks like the console boot device
>> was an RS-232 port and it booted off H0.  I'd like to see that setup.  Does
>> any of that development still exist?  Do you know why the file I put in
>> dropbox is named OS9L3.os9 and not OS9l2.os9?
>> 
>> Kip Koon
>> computerdoc at sc.rr.com
>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Coco [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bob Devries
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 9:54 PM
>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [Coco] NitrOS-9 L3 Code and Disk Images
>> 
>> Hi Kip,
>> 
>> at one time, Don Berrie and I put together a version of CC3Go which was
>> programmed to read a config.sys style file and use that for the startup
>> shell. If you find a reference to /dd/sys/config.os9 in that cc3go, then
>> that's it.
>> 
>> As to it being L3 or not, you would need to do an IDENT of the OS9Boot file.
>> That will reveal much.
>> 
>> Regards, Bob Devries
>> Dalby, QLD, Australia
>> 
>> On 28/10/2014 11:39 AM, Kip Koon wrote:
>>> Hi Guys!
>>> This is what cc3go module has as its internal text.
>>> Copyright Bob Devries & Don Berrie
>>> OS-9 LEVEL TWO VR. 02.00.01 COPYRIGHT 1986 MICROWARE SYSTEMS
>>> CORPORATION ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Bill, you are right.  This is really
>>> OS-9 L2 v2.0.1! Interesting they would rename it L3.  Maybe this is an
>>> interim L3 development version and they just did not update cc3go yet.
>>> That's my speculation of course.
>>> Running "ded cc3go" has also shown me that it is programmed to boot H0.
>>> That's probably the reason why it is not booting.
>>> Now to read the rest of this thread and see what you guys are up too.
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Kip Koon
>>> computerdoc at sc.rr.com
>>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Coco [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Kip Koon
>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:52 PM
>>> To: 'Bill Pierce'; 'CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts'
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] NitrOS-9 L3 Code and Disk Images
>>> 
>>> Hi Guys!
>>> Sorry for being offline.  I've been a bit under the weather.  Here is
>>> a link to the OS-9 L3 disk image I downloaded from Alan Dekok's web site.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/izktotl4934qut9/OS9L3.os9?dl=0
>>> Could you tell me what else would be needed to run this or to update
>>> the
>>> NitrOS-9 Repo?
>>> 
>>> Kip Koon
>>> computerdoc at sc.rr.com
>>> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Coco [mailto:coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>>> Pierce via Coco
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 5:01 PM
>>> To: coco at maltedmedia.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] NitrOS-9 L3 Code and Disk Images
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tormod, I sent you a private email concerning Nitros9 level 3
>>> yesterday. I think it got screwed in the process so I'll send it again.
>>> And yes, there was a working Level 3 at one point, but Alan took it
>>> with him when he left us. Unless Kip had a copy from Alan's old
>>> website, I don't see how he could've run it. It was only available for
>> Nitros9 L2 v1.2.2.
>>> The level 3 that Alan was working on was based on code from Nitros9 L2
>>> v1.22 (yes, that old), which was still being sold by Northern Exposure
>>> at the time. They at one point announced they "may" provide the Level
>>> 3 upgrade if enough people showed interest. I don't think they ever
>> actually released it.
>>> Alan did have it available on his website later.
>>>      The Level 3 code in the repo is missing 4 important files and WILL NOT
>>> run without them.
>>> These files are "IOMan.L3", "OS9P1.L3" (now named Krn), "OS9p2.L3"
>>> (now named KrnP2), and "Clock.L3" (now split into 2 modules).
>>> These files have gone through many changes since Nitros9 l2 v1.22 and
>>> the original L3 files will have to be disassembled and the newer
>>> modules reworked to do what these modules intended for L3.
>>> Again... Level 3 WILL NOT WORK without these modules, and I'm NOT
>>> referring to the current build of these modules as Alan did special
>>> versions of each one. They were not the same modules as in Nitros9 l2
>> v1.2.2.
>>>      I think Kip may have been running a release of Nitros9 L2 v3.0.0 as
>>> I've seen it in several archives labeled as "L3" which is incorrect.
>>> It's just L2 v3.0.0,
>>>   
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>>> 
>>>      -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tormod Volden <lists.tormod at gmail.com>
>>> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 4:32 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] NitrOS-9 L3 Code and Disk Images
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Kip Koon wrote:
>>>> Hi Tormod!
>>>> 
>>>> Are there any plans for reviving the NitrOS-9 Level-3 Code?
>>> Hi Kip!
>>> 
>>> I believe Gene has such plans :)
>>> 
>>> I don't know of anyone else. Boisy put this stuff in the repo some
>>> years ago, but I think the original level3 work from Alan DeKok is decades
>> old.
>>> Other than that the only plans that I know anyone has or had for
>>> NitrOS-9 is here: http://sourceforge.net/p/nitros9/feature-requests/
>>> 
>>> Personally I would like to see it ported to more systems. There is a
>>> crowd of 6809 lovers outside the CoCo/Dragon scene, which I am sure
>>> you have seen for instance on the N8VEM list. Getting them involved
>>> and using NitrOS-9 as a unifying base would be great. NitrOS-9 offers
>>> the a well defined API to write programs that can run on a CoCo or a
>> homebrew 6809 system.
>>> Generally I think we need more new software running on NitrOS-9, more
>>> than we need new features in NitrOS-9. But I am not so much into the
>>> use of
>>> NitrOS-9 so what do I know. Of course a lot of people think the
>>> operating system itself is more interesting to develop than programs
>>> for it. And I could fit in there, I guess :)
>>> 
>>>> How do I put in my own changes into my local copy of the NitrOS-9
>>>> Repository without the Build process removing said changes every time
>>>> I try to assemble the source code and make the disks?  I have some
>>>> ideas I want to play with including cleaning up some scripts, adding
>>>> other scripts that I think are needed or at least would be
>>>> interesting and correcting at least one error in a module.
>>> You can make your own local branch. See "hg help branch" for the short
>>> story, but read the mercurial documentation and tutorials for better
>>> explanations. I posted some of these here:
>>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.tandy.coco/75439
>>> 
>>>> Another reason why I'm asking is I have a friend named Bas De Jong
>>>> who is running a homebrew 68020 VME system he made using wirewrap
>>>> methods that runs
>>>> OS-9 68K 2.3 and he wants to add Windowing capabilities to His OS-9
>>>> Operating system.
>>>> 
>>>> He asked me some questions about the windowing system in NitrOS-9 and
>>>> I told him as far as I know the default distro disks have no built-in
>>>> GUI.  Then I remembered the Multivue disks.  I tried the Multivue
>>>> 6309 DW and Multivue
>>>> 6809 DW disks in Drivewire with VCC 1.43Beta and neither of them
>>>> booted.  I also tried to boot the Multivue 6309 and Multivue 6809
>>>> disks in VCC Drive 0 with the Drive off Basic command and neither of
>>>> these booted.  If I remember correctly,  Multivue is the GUI
>>>> application, but I cannot check it out to get copies of the screen
>>>> for
>>> Bas.
>>>> Are the Multivue disks broken or did I make a mistake in my
>>>> configuration in Drivewire and/or VCC?
>>> I don't know. Maybe Bill Pierce knows, since he's the most heavy user
>>> of
>>> NitrOS-9 GUI systems that I know of.
>>> 
>>>> I tested a version of OS-9 Level 3 once quite a while back and it
>>>> seemed to work fine, but I didn't have a Coco mouse then so I did not
>>>> pursue it any further.  Now that I have VCC 1.43beta I'm going to
>>>> pull it out again and see if it still boots.  Any help would be most
>>>> appreciated.  Thanks in advance.  Take care my friends.
>>> So there was a OS-9 Level 3? Interesting. Maybe someone can pitch in
>>> with some history and background. I have considered it more like
>>> vaporware, from reading the NitrOS-9 FAQ.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tormod
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