[Coco] Colorcomputerarchive harmful behavior

Sun May 25 21:24:50 EDT 2014

The official site for the unofficial VCC beta is:

http://vcc.cococoding.com

The official site for older versions of VCC is:

http://www.coco4.com/vcc/download.shtml

Links to these sites are useful to users.  Copying content from them is
less useful and needlessly separates users from the developers.
On May 25, 2014 9:19 PM, "Bill Pierce via Coco" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
wrote:

Aaron, I agree with you on LWTools and DriveWire as they are both being
actively developed, but not on Vcc
Vcc was basically an "end product" when Joe stopped development on 1.4.2,
There has been no more development on this version by the author or with
his approval.

I personally uploaded 1.4.3b as there is NO link anywhere I know of on the
net to link to your download and this includes all of the cococoding sites.
The "FSTEST fix" that you did was only linked here on the list and as far
as I know hasn't been deemed "official" as it has broken a few things. So I
wouldn't say that Vcc is in "active development", it's an abandoned
 product with no support.
The 1.4.3b version has gone no further and from what you tell me, will go
no further. So I consider that "finished" as well.
I see the archives as a central distribution point for these files as Vcc
has almost always been available in the archives since Joe's site went down
giving it no home. The versions of Vcc in the archives are CLEARLY marked
and I agree the older versions should be removed (or archived in one big
zip as obsolete versions) as they are definitely obsolete and in some cases
even non-functional. But for historical purposes, these do need to be
stored somewhere (and available) as they were released to the public by
Joeseph. That's like taking MW OS-9 L2 off the archives because you want
people to download NitrOS9.

And I do see that keeping older builds/versions of NitrOS9 around as well
for the very purpose of finding at what point something changed (as several
of us have been doing recently). The older versions are NOT available (or
buildable) on the repository site. I've even found people who want the
older versions.But that's another story... :-) Yes I agree, for the latest
versions, go to the SF site... but who's chronicling the progress? It's
mistakes like these that has lost some software in the past.
I know Steve BJork was hosting Vcc at one point, but links to that site are
not readily visible either. If you "google" Vcc, your site and Steve's will
show, but links on other peoples sites are all for Joes site which has been
gone for years which is very misleading. The Color Computer Archives is
steadily growing to be THE central place to find things Coco related. And
Vcc being what it is, should be there with the rest of the Coco emulators.

Just my 2 cents....

Bill Pierce
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-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Wolfe <aawolfe at gmail.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Sun, May 25, 2014 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] Colorcomputerarchive harmful behavior

I understand it is done out of a desire to be helpful, but copying files
from other active sites and redistributing them is simply not a good idea.

You currently have out of date versions of LWTools, VCC, and DriveWire on
your site.  These are not only the wrong files for a new user to download,
but they have been separated from important documentation found on the
official project websites.

The people who work hard to create our community tools don't need extra
headaches.  A link to their official site is helpful, copying select
content and redistributing it is not helpful.
 On May 25, 2014 8:21 PM, "Guillaume Major" <gmajor at videotron.ca> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Aaron,
>
> I'm the owner of the Color Computer Archive.
>
> The goal of this site is to provide a central repository to get Color
> Computer software and documentation. No harm to the coco community was
> intented by including active projects in the archive. They were included
> for completeness.
>
> If you feel some files doesn't belong to the archive, please indicate
> which ones and I will remove them.
>
> Guillaume
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Wolfe" <aawolfe-
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> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.hardware.tandy.coco
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> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 6:17 PM
> Subject: Colorcomputerarchive harmful behavior
>
>
>  Who runs this site?  Can anyone get in touch with them and ask them to
>> please stop distributing outdated versions of software created and
>> maintained by other people?
>>
>> Its one thing to be an "archive" of software that is no longer under
>> development, but distributing out of date versions of current projects
>> does
>> nobody any good.  That's why active projects nearly always insist on
>> coordinated mirrors (or do not allow mirrors at all).
>>
>> The heart might be in the right place, but things like this make our
>> community even more difficult for newcomers.
>>
>> Never distribute the files of someone elses active project!
>>
>> /rant off
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