[Coco] OT Linux question

[Louis Ciotti]

Very true Bill.  If you really want to get to the crux of the problem, my
opinionthe standards are too open, each company does something just
different enough that there is no unified sound card driver, or video card
driver, etc.  I really hate to say it, but apple had it right by
controlling what hardware could go into there systems.  I used to be on the
other side of the fence saying that the limitation was bad, but not the
mess that we are in now, and the apparent path forward I can only imagine
it getting worse.

As a side note, I recently accuired an old Mac G4, and when I opened the
case I was amazed at the thought that went into it's design.  It was nice
and organized inside with all the wire routed neatly.  I open any of my PX
boxes and it can be a rats nest of wires.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com> wrote:

>
> I don't think the real problem with the new distros of Linux lies with the
> developers, but with the users and the manufacturers. The more new hardware
> came out, the more people demanded it. First people wanted to be able to
> "click" on stuff instead of having to "type" a command... then Harry wanted
> a driver for his SuperSound sound card and Jack wanted a driver for his 20
> million color graphics card... then Jill wanted to use those new fangled CD
> roms and Susie wanted to watch DVDs.... the Peter wanted it all to install
> automatically and Paul wanted it to recognize his Tibeten Throat Singing
> Interface,,, Sound familiar?
>
> Running the latest version of Mint, I put Linux at about the state of Win
> 95's last incarnation or maybe early Win 98 1st edition. It runs good...
> just don't throw any monkey wrenches in there. Of course someone with a
> little knowledge can go in, remove all the fluff, throw away the
> HouseWifeWare and have a pretty stable, compact operating system.
>
> I have an AMD quad-core running Windows Vista, an old Gateway running
> Windows Server 2003, and 2 laptops running Windows XP. You can get on any
> of these machines and you would think you were on a stripped down version
> of Windows 98 SE. My machines do not even run screen savers or have a
> desktop or wallpaper. The all have black screens with nothing on them... no
> burn in. The "Startbar" is on auto hide and my desktop icons all live
> there. All I have to do is move the mouse to the bottom of the screen and
> there's all my software. I spent 3 days uninstalling stuff on Vista and
> finding all the settings that MS had hid (again) so that Housewive's
> couldn't click on something like "services.msc" and screw up the system and
> call tech support. They give 'em a way to set that way-cool screen saver
> and  to change their "pretty" wallpaper, with links for Facebook, Twitter,
> Online Games, Windows Live, and MSN. At least the AOL and Prodigy links
> finally went away.... only to be replaced by
>  EarthLink and NetZero..
> My main computer runs 24/7/365 with regular reboots about once a day to
> every other day to clear memory of rogues as I run a lot programs that tax
> even a quad core system like "Vegas Pro 10" that's usually playing anywhere
> from 12 to 32 individual tracks (waves) of audio (at 50-150meg per track)
> at the same time while I add in and adjust VST digital effects (plugins)
> which can number in the hundreds before I'm done. After operations like
> that, a good reboot is needed before playing World Of Warcraft. When I run
> the Coco emulators, a lot of times I have 2 instances of Vcc and an
> instance of XRoar all running their own instance of Drivewire each with
> it's own GUI. Talk about the ultimate Coco :-)
>
> Bill P
>
> Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> Bill Pierce
> ooogalapasooo at aol.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aldo Lagana <a.lagana at snet.net>
> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Cc: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 20, 2013 10:05 am
> Subject: Re: [Coco] OT Linux question
>
>
> There is the Linux Tiny project whose aim is to deflate the size of the
> kernel.
>
> I too cut my teeth with a disk less Internet gateway in the 90's ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 20, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Louis Ciotti <lciotti1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I would love to make the switch to linux as a desktop, especially with
> what
> > Microsoft has done with Windows 8, which I use, but I have "forced" it to
> > ackt like what I will call "normal" windows with a start menu and a real
> > desktop using "classic shell".  Right now it seems the think to do in
> Linux
> > is to create a new distribution.  I think that has fragemented the
> > developement, with each of the major distributions going down different
> > paths.  Initially one of my draws to Linux was that fact it was not
> overly
> > bloated.  It has lost that now with each major needing at a minimum
> > somewhere around 100mb just for the install media.  My first introduction
> > to linux fit onto a hand full of floppy disks, and I used on a headless
> 486
> > to act as a router to share my internet connection, this was before
> routers
> > before those became cheap throw away boxes. It ran flawlessly for 5
> years,
> > the last 3 months the hard drive failed and I had no idea, it just kept
> > running until the power failed.  That worked with noting but a CLI.  Now
> a
> > minimal linux distribution for a CLI only interface would never fit on a
> > small mound of floppies.  It seems to me somewhere the idea of tight
> > efficient code got lost, but this is coming from someone who has only
> > dabbled in writing software code, maybe I am wrong on that.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Bill Pierce <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Same here, I use professional multi channel audio recording software and
> >> Linux just hasn't caught up yet, though Ardour in the 64 Studio 2.1
> distro
> >> is looking better all the time. The problem with audio software for
> Linux
> >> is (from what I've read) there's so many "plugin" loops that tie various
> >> Windows and Mac type drivers into Linux, that real time recording
> suffers.
> >> There is development for "true" drivers in this area, but I need ASIO
> >> (industry standard for studios) and Linux just hasn't got the full
> support
> >> yet. I record at 24 bit 48 khz and sometimes 96 khz using up to 8
> channels
> >> (soon to be 16) simultainiously and the overhead of Linux's audio
> system is
> >> just too much for this kind of recording.
> >>
> >> I'm using the Linux box to test my latest Coco creation on the Linux
> >> Drivewire server. I needed to see if the program responded the same
> under
> >> Linux as it did in Windows. Now if I could just find someone with a Mac
> DW
> >> server and a 512k Coco 3 running NitrOS9. I really need to test this
> >> format. Anyone interested, send me an email
> >>
> >> Thanks guys
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
> >> https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
> >> Bill Pierce
> >> ooogalapasooo at aol.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: lciotti1 <lciotti1 at gmail.com>
> >> To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> >> Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:05 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [Coco] OT Linux question
> >>
> >>
> >> For windows print to pdf - have always used the free CutePDF program.
> >>
> >> I have never used a linux box as my desktop for very long.  I am always
> >> drawn
> >> back to windows because of work, and there are some types of programs
> that
> >> either do not exist in linux or the ones that do are so far behind I
> just
> >> can't
> >> fight with them.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Frank Swygert <farna at att.net>
> >> Sender: coco-bounces at maltedmedia.com
> >> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:47:36
> >> To: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> >> Reply-To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Coco] OT Linux question
> >>
> >> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:49:46 -0400 (EDT)
> >> From: Bill Pierce<ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
> >>
> >> Thanks John
> >> I actually have Adobe Acrobat 5.0 for Windows, but it will not install
> >> under
> >> Windows Vista 64 bit. Too old
> >> It allowed me to "print" to pdf from MS word which was great.
> >> So this is exactly what I was looking for.
> >>
> >> ======================
> >>
> >> There are several "print to PDF" utilities for Windows as well. I've
> been
> >> using
> >> a product called "PDF995" (www.pdf995.com). Works great. You can go to
> >> www.downloads.com and find something as well. PDF995 has you install
> >> Ghostscript
> >> and works though that. PDF995 installs a printer driver, you just select
> >> that as
> >> the printer and away you go, just like the Linux PDF printer.
> >>
> >> I tried Scribus for DTP but it just wasn't developed enough for me yet,
> >> too many
> >> changes taking place. I bought a copy of PageStream (PgS) which is a
> mature
> >> product and works well. I don't mind paying for Linux software as long
> as
> >> it's
> >> reasonably priced ($100-150 in this case), is supported, and works well.
> >> PgS was
> >> originally written for the Amiga and was popular on that platform, was
> >> ported to
> >> Windows and Linux.
> >>
> >>
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