[Coco] Looking for "C" utils

Wed Mar 7 01:07:11 EST 2012

Thanks Stephen, you seem to be leading me on the right track. When I run "make" on the source, I get:

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make: "$(RCRFLAGS) -d$(RDIR) $*
" - unknown macro
ERROR #001
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The thing that leads me to look for a file called "rcr" is in the readme for the sources:

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Also before compiling, you'll need to make nostring.c <done> in the Tools dir, put the exec in your CMDS dir. You'll also need CNoY and Rcr -- both are "up there somewhere" on RTSI
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Neither of which can be found on RTSI
The author of the sources was very active on Cis and Delphi, so I would think he got the utilities from one of the 2.
He states in his sources (fairly well commented) on a lot of the patched "C" tools he used. I've started looking through the disks from the archives that were saved from both services to see if they are possibly on some random disk. I'm also checking all the user group disks. No luck yet but finding some really cool stuff though :-)

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Bill Pierce
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils

Hi,
Don't be bothered if you do not understand what I am saying, I skip many 
hings that you may not know or understand.  And say much that you already 
now, I am sort of doing a memory dump from 25 years ago.
Even Gene is buffaloed by MAKE.
I can understand it because I used an earlier version a lot > 25 years ago.
"rcr" is a program for sure. But may just be a MAKE macro, I need to see 
make.default".
My make is very rusty but look in /DD/SYS for a file.
> The filename for "/dd/sys/make.default" is defined in h.h.
Also he may have changed Make and recompiled it.
Rereading the MAKE "README" and what is in the "/DD/HELP" MAKE files needs 
o be understood.
Make is very powerful and hard to understand till you get the hang of it. 
specially Tim Koonce's "make".
The result of what "rcr" does is a ".r" file (".c" input)
> .c.r:;rcr $(RCRFLAGS) -d$(RDIR) $*
".c.r:;rcr -s -y -dRS" is the result, i.e. rcr should look in directory "RS" 
or ".c" files
o, look for a "RS directory.
The default for .c.r is:
* .c.r specifies how to compile .c files into .r files.
c:;$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(LFLAGS) $< -f=$(ODIR/)$@
That says to me that he is not using "CC" and is using his own version.
"CC252" is the latest and best "CC" and you should target using it.
So you need to understand both "Make" and "CC252" to make sense of what he 
s doing if you cannot find "/dd/sys/make.default". "rcr" is a sequencer 
ike "CC" I suspect.
And the rest of the "C" compiler chain.
"http://www.tandycoco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=113"
May be useful, but I have not completed it, and may not.
The "Microware C Compiler User's Guide Appendix B is required reading, 
Compiler Phase Command Lines" is where we started, some program names have 
een changed and there are added programs (Controlled by CC)

You need to merge what is in "/dd/sys/make.default" with the makefile you 
ave listed to understand the entire process.
?
I was working on collecting of the latest "C" Compiler parts so I have all 
he relevant files on my laptop.
I have been switching looking at your e-mail, the Make documentation and 
iles including the source and CC252 documentation to understand his MAKE 
ile.

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Customizing Make:
- The major way you can customize make is to edit /dd/sys/make.default
  to change the default rules to fit your own particular setup.
  I am especially interested in knowing good default rules for use with
  other languages (i.e. Pascal, ASM, RMA, etc.)
- If you want to re-compile, there are a couple of easy customizations
  you can make to the source:
    - The filename for "/dd/sys/make.default" is defined in h.h.
      You can change it to your preference.
    - By undefining DEFN0, make will use compiled-in rules, defined
      in rules.c.  This will help make start up faster.
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SHF

---- Original Message ----- 
rom: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
o: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
ent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:23 PM
ubject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils

 Okay... I searched through all the source code in the project (107 files) 
 and found no references to "cnoy". There was however, references to Rcr in 
 the makefiles as follows:

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 * Converted (much shorter) to Tim Koonce's Make 90/3/17
 * Stackchecking turned off for production 89/10/15
 * General rules.  .c.r specifies how to compile .c files into .r files.

 .c.r:;rcr $(RCRFLAGS) -d$(RDIR) $*
 .a.r:;$(RMA) $(RFLAGS) $< -o=$(RDIR/)$@
 EDIT=4
 ODIR=     # was /h0/cmds for Tandy Make bug
 RDIR = RS
 RCRFLAGS = -s -y
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 This is using Tim Koonce's "make". I don't know if the "Rcr" is accociated 
 with the "make" or just added.
 I checked the archive for TK's "make" and there they are not included 
 there. I did download the "cnoy" from Gene's site. Once I get a Coco to PC 
 serial made, both of these files are on my drives. I'm just trying to 
 compile these files in VCC to see if I have all the right tools loaded, as 
 compiling on VCC would be about 400% faster than a Coco and woking on a 
 full screen editor (RainbowIDE) makes my tired eyes a little happier..

 Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
 https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
 Bill Pierce
 ooogalapasooo at aol.com

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
 To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
 Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:55 pm
 Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils

 Hi,
 Perhaps where you found the reference to "Rcr" would help.
 The same for "CNoY" which I recognized, but it still may not be the 
 correct
 ne.
 The one on Gene's page is for removing unnecessary instructions generated 
 by
 he OS-9 6809 "C" compiler AFAIK.
> At this point, I would add CnoY, from Genes site.  This is for coco3 
> level
 2 & later only machines, and optimizes the ,y references out of the asm
 code generated, giving a slight speedup since the y reference is a machine
 cycle slower than an x, u, or s reference.
 You really must want the very fastest "C" code which Gene needed!
 I searched for "Rcr" in this list going back to April 10, 2008 and it has
 ot been discussed.
 SHF

 ---- Original Message ----- 
 rom: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
 o: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
 ent: Monday, March 05, 2012 4:30 PM
 ubject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils

 Thanx Stephen, I have no idea what the Rcr is either

 Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
 https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
 Bill Pierce
 ooogalapasooo at aol.com

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Stephen H. Fischer <SFischer1 at Mindspring.com>
 To: CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts <coco at maltedmedia.com>
 Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:30 pm
 Subject: Re: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils

 Hi,
 "Rcr" I have no idea.
 "CNoY" is on Gene's web page:
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 heers, Gene
 -
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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 y web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene>
 ailure is more frequently from want of energy than want of capital.
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 Below the picture you will see:
 "I have copied some possibly useful things from the coco's hard drive to
 ere."
 The word "here" when clicked on will get you to the directory.
 "Rcr" perhaps is a routine to remove Carriage Returns, but why would you
 ant to do that?
 SHF

 ---- Original Message ----- 
 rom: "Bill Pierce" <ooogalapasooo at aol.com>
 o: <coco at maltedmedia.com>
 ent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:00 PM
 ubject: [Coco] Looking for "C" utils

 Hi guys,
 I'm looking for the "C" utils "CNoY" and "Rcr"
 I've run across references to them in some C source code I've been
 modifying
 I've looked through all the archives (RTSI, Repository & MaltedMedia) and
 if they
 are there, they're on a random disk image somewhere.
 Anyone know where.. or what to look for to find these files?
 Thanx

 Music from the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computer 2 & 3
 https://sites.google.com/site/dabarnstudio/
 Bill Pierce

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