[Coco] And update on my Roger Taylor Drive Pak saga...

[Arthur Flexser]

My two cents, as someone who has never had any business dealings with
Roger and who appreciates his contributions to the CoCo community,
which he has been a longtime member of, and a very well-esteemed one
until recently.

I found Blake's account to be factual, descriptive, and notably
lacking in moral outrage.  (I'd have found it difficult to be so
restrained had what Blake describes happened to me.)  A number of the
commenters were considerably less restrained, but understandably so.

I have no doubt that Roger did not set out to rip off anyone, and I
wish him well in recovering from whatever sort of misfortunes have
befallen him.  Still, his lack of communication about what is
happening is very counterproductive.  And when he does communicate, it
appears he makes promises that he does not follow through on.
Requests for refunds go unfulfilled.

I'm in agreement with those who argue that, as a service to the CoCo
community, people should know that Roger has failed to fulfill orders
for which he has accepted payment long before, or to provide refunds
when they are requested.  This situation may change in the future, and
I hope it does and that Roger then receives a warm welcome back into
the good graces of the community.  But until such time, spreading the
"buyer beware" word about him seems justified.

Art

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Stephen H. Fischer
<SFischer1 at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The reason for the unsubscribe is quite different than what you say IMHO.
>
> I ask again:
>
>>> Just what problems would you accept for Roger to have to say "treat
>>> him with respect"?
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> Allowing this person to do what he is doing and not saying it is wrong does
> not match up with what I have read elsewhere about Rogers problems.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Would you beat a dead cat?
>
> How about a dead person?
>
> I am not saying Roger is dead, but the posts following mine are suggesting
> that you would.
>
> What has this person lost? $50, $100, $250?
>
> Roger has invested, well the last time I saw a price for the software he
> purchased so as to produce better software for us was in the range of
> $2,000. That was ten or twenty years ago. Today it may be $10,000.
>
> In any case a large amount that if he lost his day job would put him in
> serious trouble.
>
> While money may be a serious problem, he may have other problems just as
> serious or more.
>
> Hounding someone like this person has done and is doing is illegal in real
> life. Sometime our laws will be enforced for online activity. It cannot come
> too soon.
>
> For again, how much money compared to what Roger has invested for us?
>
> Stephen H. Fischer
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Pittel" <fwp at deepthought.com>
> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coco] And update on my Roger Taylor Drive Pak saga...
>
>
>> Who has been disrespectful of Roger?
>>
>> The reason that Roger isn't here to defend himself is that a while back
>> he pitched a snit and unsubscribed from the list.
>>
>> That said I did buy his IDE/assembler and it was nice. Long before he
>> announced his drivepak for sale I had already bought the SuperIDE from
>> cloud-9 and was happy with it. I personally had no issue with Roger
>> although
>> I did notice that he was very polarizing on this list.
>>
>> The Other Frank
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 07:49:22PM -0700, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Are you aware at all of Rogers difficulties?
>>>
>>> He is not defending himself perhaps because he cannot, the same
>>> reasons that this issue has not been resolved.
>>>
>>> I am so upset because there is a small chance that in a month or two
>>> I will tell someone to type a message to the list saying good-by.
>>>
>>> Just what problems would you accept for Roger to have to say "treat
>>> him with respect"?
>>>
>>> SHF
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McDougall"
>>> <msmcdoug at iinet.net.au>
>>> To: "CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts" <coco at maltedmedia.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 7:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Coco] And update on my Roger Taylor Drive Pak saga...
>>>
>>>
>>> >On 9/06/2012 11:54 AM, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>After doing so much good for the CoCo group, now to be treated
>>> >>so badly does
>>> >>not do us justice.
>>> >
>>> >Someone giving a calm, factual account of his experiences when
>>> >dealing with Roger is not "treat[ing him] badly".
>>> >
>>> >-- >|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers
>>> > do >it
>>> >|  <http://members.iinet.net.au/~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"
>>> >
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